God Cares. God Loves. We Choose.

We inhabit a universe — that is it has order and laws and we human creatures have a precious gift, … Continued

We inhabit a universe — that is it has order and laws and we human creatures have a precious gift, the freedom to choose which makes us moral agents.

Our God who is omnipotent is also weak in that God has imposed limitations on God’s omnipotence to give us the space to have a real autonomy.

We inhabit a universe — that is it has order and laws and we human creatures have a precious gift, the freedom to choose which makes us moral agents.

Our God who is omnipotent is also weak in that God has imposed limitations on God’s omnipotence to give us the space to have a real autonomy.

We have the freedom to choose and some of our choices as such lead to incidents such as this tragedy. God could not intervene without nullifying the freedom of the perpetrator.

But such incidents remind us too of our radical contingency and vulnerability. We exist only because we are kept in being by the unceasing act of creating — God breathing God’s breath into us from moment to moment. Life is vulnerable and is pure gift. We are utterly ,completely dependent on God for we are fragile and God upholds us gently and caringly.

Our God cares, for this God is Immanuel, God with us, who joins us in our dumbfounded speechlessness and bewilderment and this God does not give advice from a safe distance but enters the fiery furnace of our anguish and God wipes away our tears, this God who knows us by name, from whose nothing, not even death can separate us.

But we must not pretend we know everything. It is ultimately a mystery and we must have a proper agnosticism.

We send our deepest sympathies to all who have been bereaved, and to those who have been injured and we pray too for the perpetrator.

God bless you.

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  • Sean Kirk

    Thank You, Bishop Tutu.In my view, evil exists only within the free heart – and thence via the free will – of humankind; there is no evil in nature, for instance, in a tsunami or an earthquake, or in the predatory pounce of a tiger or a lion, or even in a cancerous tumor, though of course we certainly may experience their effects as “evil.”This tragedy, however, stems from precisely this potential for “evil” implicit in the human freedom of moral choice, God’s greatest and most sobering and perilous Gift after that of life itself, and the origin, of course, of our relationship with God having to include our “Salvation,” our final Gift.I commend with utmost respect your admonition that we “must have a proper agnosticism,” and, too, I am grateful for your inclusion of the perpetrator in prayer.God loves us all… All!

  • Pops

    In order to “care” the carer must exist. God does not exist.

  • Rob Adams

    Pops.I am not religious, but spiritual and believe in God. I can fully respect the opinion that God does not exist. One thing I think an agnostic or atheist may agree with though is the teach of this “pretend” God.The true core concepts of various religions/spirituality are; compassion, love, and peace. Not an exhaustive list, but a good start.Whether these traits come from God or just from us I think these traits help us support, heal and grieve. I think these traits could also be used to help prevent these types of tragedies if they could seep into the fabric of societies.Is that something an agnostic or atheist would support? I will venture yes.Then why someone exudes these traits should not matter much. Whether a belief in a God or just because it seems practical to have everyone live a better life the results can be very much the same.Peace

  • Ken

    Amazing, the number of people here who are able to discern the mind of “god.” What frequency do I tune into to hear his thoughts?

  • J

    Pretty pointless forum, since the probability of gods existing, specially the most popular varieties thereof, is ridiculously low. Not mentioning it’s a quite laughable concept to begin with…This is a human tragedy, and the sooner people realize that the faster we will be able to actually *think* something useful about it. Talking to imaginary “friends” (with friends like these…) does NOT help to understand what happened, let alone give any hope of preventing future occurrences. Time for humanity to grow up, methinks.

  • Jon

    Anonymous and Ken,Yes, GOD gives us free will to choose HIM or not. It really amazes me that people think they have so much power but in reality we are fragile and depend on a Great GOD to allow us to live each and everyday. No one knows the time or hour when we leave this earth but the GOD who created us. You certainly did not create yourself. Yes, life is a precious gift from the one who is Spirit just like us. (made in his image) Once we die, the spirit leaves the body. The analogy would be car with no engine. What do you have left? just a lifeless shell or body. At this time you will find out whether GOD is for real or not. And Ken, GOD does speak to our Spirit man. There is no frequency to tune to but your own free will to hear GOD.

  • Jim

    Ok, Jon. So maybe the shooter at Virginia Tech is the one who of his own free will heard God. Maybe God told him to kill 32 people and himself, because God had decided that was the time and hour when they should leave this earth.

  • wondering

    Free will, gods ultimate excuse. If god will not intervene to stop a tragedy, then what is the purpose of prayer? I thought that is what prayer was about. Pray for the needy, pray for the sick, if god doesn’t intervene then what’s the point? If that’s the case why do people thank god when they narrowly avoid a horrendous death?

  • BGone

    KEN, it’s not the frequency but the chanel, “700 Culb” where Doctor Robertson has the hot line straight to God. Just one little problem.Is it God?

  • speed123

    This event is a symptom of the greater maliase that exists in society. Young men are lost and disconnected to everything that gives meaning – faith, family, community and these things have been replaced by consumerism, materialism, focus on the self, greed and lack of purpose aside from grades and money. Gun control will not stop this, nor will perscription drugs. Welcome to our Brave New World – dont worry though – science and cold reason will save us….take another hit of Ritilin/Prozac and dont look at the real underlying issues.

  • One of HIS Sheep

    When a tragedy strikes such as the V.Tech shootings, people begin to throw their hands in the air and wonder why “A God” would allow this to happen. We always blame “A God” for our actions.The God I serve allows things to happen because he gave us the gift of free will. We have the ability to choose to follow God and his teachings or not. If he hadn’t given us the gift of free will, then we would all be the same cookie cutter human beings living lives of repetition with no opportunities to explore life and make our own decisions.As with any gift, it can be used in a good or bad way. We know whom the ruler of this world is now. We’ve all read the bible and unless you’re completely in denial, we see the prophecies in the bible being fulfilled. This world, this Government, the politicians many of them do not walk in the ways of our GOD. He does not lead their steps and their decisions, other wise our children would be able to pray in school. It wouldn’t be legal to kill babies who have no voice living in their mother’s womb. Marriage would still be meant for Man and Woman as GOD and nature intended it to be. The very mention of “GOD” would not be surrounded with controversy and issues of offending others. The ruler of this earth has made it difficult for most to believe and live our public lives as followers of Jesus Christ. We don’t want to offend others in our workplace because of fear of harassment if we speak of our GOD. Yet, as soon as a tragedy strikes such as the V.Tech Shootings, 9-11 or Columbine we’re suddenly given the “o.k.” for prayer to be shown on public television with this world’s leaders participating. We’re trained to run to “A GOD” in times of trouble and confusion and ask him why? Let us all stop and remember that the troubled soul who walked into that school and took the lives of 32 individuals also had free will. He choose, with his free will to take the lives of 32 people, and to so their journey on this earth ended. And because of his free will, families are left with the pain, hurt and loss that will last a lifetime. Did God allow this to happen? Yes, the same as he allowed you another day on this earth and allowed you to decide what you would wear today or who you would marry. God’s gift of free will allows us to experience life fully, lead the types of lives we live and to decide if we will follow HIM or the ruler of this world.

  • Weiping Chen

    Hi JIM, I’m a 42 year old foreigner who had been an athiest for his first 39 years. I understand that Desmond Tutu said these as if he was standing in front the the victim familys.Jim, what would you say if you happen to standby these families? As one previous posting, we humankind did create ourself. By his love towards his creatures, our Creator shows his mercy.

  • Jim

    Weiping,I would say it is horribly, devastatingly sad. The gunman was very disturbed and alienated. No one helped him. He did not seek help. He caused destruction and misery and suffering. It is really just a matter of coincidence that the particular victims were in his way. That is frightening and makes me feel helpless, but it is the truth.The world will continue. The lives of 32 innocent people have been ended. That is horrible and difficult to understand because it happened so suddenly. The lives of their families and friends have been forever changed. That is extremely sad. But the same thing has happened to innocent people and their families and friends in countless other places around the world today, yesterday and throughout time. It will happen again tomorrow and the day after and again. The world has continued and will continue.That is reality. That is life. You don’t need to pretend there is a god to explain it.

  • McBible

    Only in a world where faith is difficult can faith exist. I don’t have faith in two plus two equals four or in the noon day sun. Those are beyond question. But scripture describes God as a hidden God. You have to make an effort of faith to find him. There are clues you can follow. And if that weren’t so, if there were something more or less than clues, it’s difficult for me to understand how we could really be free to make a choice about Him. If we had absolute proof instead of clues, then you could no more deny God than you could deny the sun. If we had no evidence at all, you could never get there. God gives us just enough evidence so that those who want him can have him. The Bible says, “Seek and you shall find.” Millions around the world have sought God and found him and that relationship has made a real difference in our lives. God loves all of us, whether you believe in him or not. I genuinely pray that all those who do not believe would ernestly reconsider their position. Your eternal life depends upon it.

  • Jim

    McBible,Why would one want to live eternally? What is wrong with living in the world and then ceasing to exist?

  • Jon

    Jim,First of all, GOD would never tell anyone to kill another person. Now, Satan and his demons (angels who made the decision to rebel against GOD) just like their daddy (Satan) would. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory. We are born with sin (study Adam and Eve)and GOD gives us free will to choose HIM or not. It is not about religion but relationship. GOD intends for us to have a relationship with HIM. You seem to forget or don’t know that you are a spirit housed in a body. Once your spirit leaves your body then you will pass from time into Eternity. One thing is for sure, we will all stand before GOD for our beliefs and actions. So, either you will believe there is a GOD or not. That is your choice. GOD already knows we are not perfect.

  • Jim

    Scott,Why do you want to live eternally?

  • E favorite

    Sorry, Bishop, you lost me when you said, “Our God who is omnipotent is also weak in that God has imposed limitations on God’s omnipotence to give us the space to have a real autonomy.”A pistol in the hand of a madman is “real autonomy?”

  • Jim

    Jon,Assuming I do have a spirit, how do I know it will do anything after I die? I’m not aware that my spirit was around before I had a body. Why should it continue after my body is gone?If my spirit is eternal, that mean it never stops existing, right? Where was it before my body existed? Why don’t I remember that? If I don’t remember that, will I remember being in my body if my spirit keeps existing after my body dies?The point is this is all a bunch of fantasy. Why not enjoy what is real? Of course, when you spend all of your time fantasizing about spirits and attributes of deities and miracles, you may have trouble identifying what is real, much less enjoying it.

  • Sean Kirk

    Amazing, though not surprising, I suppose, that some people participating here seem to think this is about whether or not God exists.”…what about the free will of the 32 students who were massacred and what about the free will of their dessimated friends and family members?” asked ‘Anonymous.’I don’t pretend to answer this question, (nor, I’d point out, did Bishop Tutu), but I don’t “fall back” on “‘God’s mysterious ways’ explanation,” either.Life, however, is certainly essentially Mystery. Surely even – and perhaps especially! – an atheist must concede that this is so.I am not a Christian (certainly not in the traditional sense according to self-professed Christians I know – in terms of the Nicine Creed, literal biblical, scriptural infallibility, et al) though I wrote of the “final Gift” of “Salavation,” terms I used in response to Bishop Tutu because my conception of God absolutley encompasses these concepts; God is infinite! Obviously, I do believe in God, deeply so, for reasons of personal experience that have little or nothing to do with whether or not my prayers have been or are “answered” (though I often feel that they are). Prayer is not magical incantation to avoid harm or obtain favor(s), whatever traditional views may teach.For many of us, God, the fact and Presence of God – and prayer to God – is a source of comfort, especially in the face of human evil.

  • Norrie Hoyt

    Archbishop Tutu,I don’t believe the shooter yesterday had any effective free will, because of his psychological state of mind, which arose spontaneously from causes and conditions over which he had no control and which he did not desire.I’m taking the liberty of posting here my response to Donna Freitas:Donna Freitas,You wrote: “I do not believe that any faith tradition can adequately ‘explain’ tragedies such as the massacre at Virginia Tech yesterday.”Without trying to claim superiority for my favorite belief-system, I believe that Buddhism can explain what happened yesterday in Virginia.Every event is, to use a Buddhist stock phrase, “a product of causes and conditions”. The preeminent cause here would seem to be the psychological state of mind of the shooter. That state of mind was also a product of causes and conditions.Trying to find a religious explanation of the “meaning” of the shootings can’t compare with a simple tracing of the causes and conditions of the event and leaving it at that.Your feelings and thoughts about yesterday are very Buddhist, though you clothe them in Christian language, compassion being of their essence.Best wishes.

  • Concerned The Christian Now Liberated

    As per the contemporary Christian theologian, Father Edward Schillebeeckx, (from his book, Church, the History of God,Crossroad, 1993, p.91 (softcover)It also unfortunately explains the tragedies of incidents like the massacre at VT and the daily suicide bombings in Iraq i.e. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR ACTIONS.

  • speed123

    Give it up Concerned!Trying to paint all religions with the “predestination” brush does not work. You are ignorant and sensational and seem to be taking your cues from the state of American media.

  • BGone

    Life is short. 33 people got their short lives shortened even more yesterday. What does one say to the families, loved ones left behind? They’re not dead, only gone on to the next world.Funerals are for the living, do nothing for the dead. Councling in situations like this is help them cope with death. Death is natural and normal. No big hurry like yesterday but it’s coming nevertheless.The death of those around us remind us of our own mortality. That should not be such a dramatic thing. But it is earth sahttering because we have lost our natural instincts that tell us death is not the end, only a beginning of a new life, renewal.I had a brother die this morning. He’s not dead but gone on to the next life. I’ll see him there soon. His old body broke, needed a new one and now he has it. I’m happy for him and look forward to getting a new one myself.Gods, heaven, hell, and the religious operators threatening with the supernatural have the world in a mental state. Those things are brand new in cosmic time. Humans have dealt with death successfully for tens of thousands of years. The more we are deluged with nonsense the more difficult it becomes to cope with all natural, normal process of life death being but one.We are all dying at all times. 33 people finished the process yesterday and one more, my brother this morning. It’s only a big deal to those who don’t understand what happened.

  • Concerned The Christian Now Liberated

    SPEED123,So I assume you are blaming God for your/our miseries? It is unfortunate that Father Schillebeeckx is not a member of the On-Faith Panel.

  • foolofwisdom

    God does exist. I dont have enough faith to believe that we were made manifest from a slime-blob millions of years ago. If we are here by mere chance, then what are we here for? Are lives then exist without purpose. What happened is a great tragedy, and is proof that we are in a real world, and in the real world evil does exist. We are all capable of sin, and if we were honest, everyone has the capacity to commit murder, if placed in the wrong situation. Just because we mere humans with our FINITE wisdom do not have an answer to why this happened, does not mean that an answer or reason does not exist. The first step towards wisdom is to fully understand that we do not have answers for everything. May God be with the families of those 32 innocent victims, and with the family of the young man who held the gun.

  • D

    J: “…since the probability of gods existing, specially the most popular varieties thereof, is ridiculously low.”Are you a probability expert? If you think the probability that God exists is ridiculously low, you should calculate the probability that the Big Bang and Evolution complete explain all of the development of the universe apart from God. The probablity of that is beyond ridiculous. Ask any real stats expert and I think you’ll find that your probability argument isn’t a good one.

  • brian mcc, the arctic

    Desmond,

  • Russell D

    The question isn’t what God wants for us. It is what we want for ourselves. There is no doubt that this a tremendous tragedy for not only the ones involved, but also for the ones who are not involved. This ordeal has implications that reach beyond this world. It is as much spiritual as it is corpreal. The evil done on this day far outweighs some of the good, yet eventually the good will bounce back. But you must realize, that in this world, there will never be a total reign of Good over evil, nor will Evil reign over Good. It is a constant balnace. Right and wrong, yin and yang. There cannot be one without the other. When one act overshadows the other, than inevitably the latter will overshadow the other when it is time. Balance is always the key. Belief in a higher power has nothing to do with it. Whether you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, athiest, Buddhist, etc., the main picture is to know that the world will even itself out in the end. While the country mourns for the people at VT, know within your heart, or within your God, that everything will eventually turn out to be better in the end.

  • Cyndy

    Thank you Desmond Tutu for a heartfelt response. I agree that in many ways answers to life are unknowable. I honor your devotion and truly envy your faith. Thank you!to Jacob: huh? Please write more clearly so the answers you seek may be revealed. You are asking questions that I do not understand the importance of. The Bible provides a quite extensive ancestry, but is it needed to know the mothers of Noah and Abraham? According to the Bible, everyone came from Adam and Eve, so yes, they had mothers. Would giving them a name make them more important to you?

  • Anonymous

    Jacob,Abraham’s mother was Emtelai. Noah’s mother was Bitenosh.

  • Anonymous

    Russell:Why are you posting the same response under every panelist’s answer? That really gets rather annoying…

  • Ryder

    Why would you pray for the dead?

  • PJ Tibayan

    How does Russel D. know that all will balance it out in the end? Has his god told him? Or is it intuitive to himself? I know the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ will be just and justice will be done and seen to be done in the end. But I know that because he told us so in the Bible. Where does Russell D. get his view from? If it comes from within himself, with all due respect, it has no authority and I place no confidence in his, or even my assertions, apart from what God has said in the Bible and in Christ.

  • PJ Tibayan

    How does Russel D. know that all will balance it out in the end? Has his god told him? Or is it intuitive to himself? I know the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ will be just and justice will be done and seen to be done in the end. But I know that because he told us so in the Bible. Where does Russell D. get his view from? If it comes from within himself, with all due respect, it has no authority and I place no confidence in his, or even my assertions, apart from what God has said in the Bible and in Christ.

  • PJ Tibayan

    How does Russel D. know that all will balance it out in the end? Has his god told him? Or is it intuitive to himself? I know the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ will be just and justice will be done and seen to be done in the end. But I know that because he told us so in the Bible. Where does Russell D. get his view from? If it comes from within himself, with all due respect, it has no authority and I place no confidence in his, or even my assertions, apart from what God has said in the Bible and in Christ.

  • BGone

    The University of Texas Shooter had a brain tumor. There was something wrong somewhere with this fellow at Varginia Tech. Was it physical or faith based?The three great faiths faith hell where the shot are discarded in the minds of faith shooters. At present there’s a rash of that sort of thing world wide. Terrorism is how it’s described, (Islamic extremists). They faith their victims being condemned to hell while they parade into Allah’s (God’s) heaven, welcomed with brass band, praise and honors along with booty.The foundation of faith in hell comes from the dark side of the mind. Hell allows the lives of others to be taken with immunity. Was the VT shooter thinking hell for his victims?We can say with some relative certainty that suicide attackers of all kinds do not perceive themselves arriving in a new world along with and at the same time as their victims. Faith does not stop but rather promotes the suicide attack.The best news in 5,000 years. The Bible, the source of faith in hell is a proved hoax. Time to rethink faith.Nothing stops the insane. Faith makes some people insane. Seems to be a lot of faith and insanity at present but then the history books reek with both.

  • Billfleisch

    And people actually believe Tutu’s palaer ? Come on!!

  • ls

    I truly believe that God exists! There is a devil here on earth that can’t wait to enhale all of the people like this shooter! We, as God’s servants, need to stop the hate and violence and start living better lives. God Bless you all and PLEASE PRAY FOR PEACE!! If we all try harder to help our neighbors, we can change our world for the better. Life is a gift from God and we must start living that way. We can change the world if we CARE!!!! I DO!!! Do You!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    “Deeply saddened by news of the shooting at Virginia Tech, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI has asked me to convey the assurance of his heartfelt prayers for the victims, their families and for the entire school community. In the aftermath of this senseless tragedy he asks God our Father to console all those who mourn and to grant them that spiritual strength which triumphs over violence by the power of forgiveness, hope and reconciling love.”Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone

  • David

    To those who believe that God does not exist, I would ask them this question: How did your life come to be, and remain alive to this day? Whatever it is that performed that miracle is what God is. I am sure that you cannot explain what makes your heart beat, what chemicals in your blood keep your cells alive, what forces make gravity work to keep you on the ground, what physics allow your eyes to see and where the energy originated to even cause the sun to provide us light. The answer is God; whatever, whoever, and wherever that may be. Our living consists of complex electrical and physical interactions with the universe. Our relationship with the universe is what religion teaches us. That’s all I can make of it. Unless someone can explain to me the origins of what exists in our universe, I’m gonna believe in God.

  • Russell D.

    David:yea……..I don’t know where you think you came from, but I am a result of my parents having sex. Same can be said for me and my wife. Our kids came from us having sex. Gotta love Biology!

  • Cheri

    BGONE — My prayers go out to you and your family during this difficult time of lose. One question, earlier in this dialog you acknowledge that Satan does exist. How is it that you are able to believe in a spirit of evil, but unable to believe ina spirit of good. My prayer for you is that before you reach the point of receiving your “new body”, that you will have received Christ and that the new body will live in a place of eternal good and not eternal evil. God Bless you and your family.

  • Anonymous

    Russell,Where, how and when life began continues to be a mystery! The origins of singularity are still largely unexplainable? David makes a good point. Although your comment was funny the origins of our universe is still unexplainable.

  • Anonymous

    I hope peace can find it’s way back into the hearts of the suffering families from this horrible tragedy. I will pray for them. Rom. 8:18 – the sufferings of the present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. We thus have hope that any sufferings we or others endure, no matter how difficult, will pale in comparison to the life of eternal bliss that awaits us.

  • JON

    BGONE:Your statement is not worth commenting on. GOD is a spirit just as we are. I don’t have to prove GOD. GOD can prove himself all by HIMSELF. Can you see the air that you breath? No!! Think about that question for a minute.

  • Andrea

    Jon,Good point about the air, but we know what molecules it’s made up of. What molecules make up God?

  • BGone

    CHERI, thank you for the kind words. I don’t believe in Devil, but I do believe in God. You seem to have that reversed, both for me and you.God doesn’t need people’s money, can create it [U.S. government?]. Devil is an imaginary demon used to gain the wealth of earth by people with threats of being turned over to him for failing to “render to God” [actually render to God’s representatives]. That’s the original terrorism, about 5,000 years old and invented by Pharaoh, son of god become like-unto God. I don’t terrorize as easy as some I guess. Pharaoh don’t scare me in the least.If angels can’t be shot then why do they have shields? I understand angels being armed but why shields? Have they modernized, now toat guns instead of swords and spears? If the Bible said “the firstborn son of the Egyptian” had been shot instead of whacked then we could expect God was behind it? “Your God” doesn’t seem to be very up to date, kind of like your Devil.When if ever you stop believing in Devil your life will improve by bunches. Faith in God can then bubble to the top and not be a dodge, in third or fourth place behind faith in mininsters, the Bible and the Devil. Gotta get past a lot of faith to get to God for the three great faiths.

  • RMH

    BGONE,Where do you get the foundations of your faith? Long ago I realized that if I believed one part of the Bible, I must either believe it all or deny it all. Since that time, I have grown closer to God and learned much from spending time not only in His word, the Bible, but also in prayerful communion. If you get a chance to read Hebrews 11 it is very powerful. Each of the people listed were considered “faithful” but only because of their blind faith.

  • WL

    Dear Pops,There is no God?There is no such thing as atheism. Very few of us are truly that stupid…maybe even you son.

  • QOS99

    Blessings and praises to the Lord our God from whom all good things flow and peace and blessings to all if you. Thank you all for your candor and perspectives. The wonderful thing about free will is that in times of trial it gets put to good use. The truth, however, is that despite what everyone says, most of us has set minds and isn’t looking to learn from each other or consider truthful perspectives. That is unfortunate. The truth gets lost in platitudes and emotion and we still walk away frustrated and empty. My prayer is that we use our time and voice for the greater good and that we treat each other with loving-kindness. Let’s be good to each other. This isn’t always easy to do (especially for me). These times of turmoil just make it worse (don’t they?) Let’s not turn on each other but rather give thanks for our lives and let the peace of God which passes all understanding keep our hearts and minds because peace of mind, comfort and assurance are critical gifts to have in these uncertain times. I pray that the sweet touch of God’s Holy Spirit gently embrace us in this dark hour of vengeance, wrath, deceit, confusion, and strife. Seek truth, for the truth will set you free. Weeping may endure for a night but joy indeed does come in the morning. That’s my prayer for us all – but I pray this especially for my brothers and sisters who were gravely affected by the Virginia Tech tragedy. God is real and He calls us to be our brother’s keeper, to serve each other and to generously provide for each other’s needs. Let’s model the nature and gentle example of Jesus who used his free will to love those who didn’t love or understand him and who used his strength to courageously confront and battle hypocrisy and evil almost daily. During his time on earth he was a man’s man – strong, fearless, compassionate, focused and holy. He believed in and understood mankind then (just as He does now). He also modeled quiet sacrifice, friendly devotion, commitment to Truth and single-minded commitment to purpose. In the end He freely laid down His life as a loving sacrifice to bridge the gap between eternity and human reality and his friends and loved ones mourned his tragic death too. I’m so thankful that His victory over death through the resurrection gives us hope to overcome and rise from the ashes of our lives now and forever. The promise of eternity gives hope to the insanity of humanity. Thank you Jesus! Life is short. During this time of contemplation, analysis and debate let’s not forget to check on each other all while modeling and embracing with newfound commitment Christ’s example of sacrificial service and love. I’ve come to know with all certainty that Jesus Christ is indeed the Truth and the Truth WILL set you free. Like me, you’ve got to discover it for yourself. The proof is our there. It exists; I’ve used my logic, intelligence, education, realism and faith to discover and embrace the greatest and sweetest truth I’ll ever learn. All of my degrees couldn’t give me the edge that Jesus has. I don’t hold a secret. Multitudes have discovered it through the generations and the truth is as fresh today as when God first breathed life into His Holy Word. I pray that the scales fall from all eyes in the appointed hour. I look forward to the day when every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Saints of God – stay in intercession. The world needs it. We need it. God bless you all!Amen!!!

  • BGone

    RMH, it’s not where I get faith but where I DON’T get faith. I DON’T faith people who dress and act like peacocks and claim to be righteous. Faith from them is faith IN them and NOT faith in God.I don’t get faith from sacred scriptures because I KNOW they are all the work of men,, who dressed and acted like peacocks, as a way of life, to get their daily bread.I don’t get faith so that I can be saved, from an imaginary being, Devil that operates an imaginary place, hell. I understand what hoax buster is saying, that [those] imaginary beings are the work of, you guessed it, men who dress and act like peacocks and use those beings to terrorize children, who grow up and continue to be terrorized, by threats of hell, done for economic reasons and nothing more.God has nothing to do with men who dress and act like peacocks, threaten with imaginary beings and places, try to terrorize me and then demand that I render to their version of God by giving them my hard earned money. That’s where I DON’T get faith in God.Do you have a different source of faith?

  • Jon

    Jim,First of all, your body never existed until a man and woman conceived. Your spirit comes from GOD. Studying the bible would help answer alot of your questions. GOD is so positive in HIS own bible and wants you to have a eternal life and not eternal death that HE says, “Absent from the body is to present with the LORD” Let’s use a car analogy. If you take the engine and computer out of a car what do you have left. Just a body or shell which will not move. So, if you are not aware you have a spirit. You will when you take your last breath. People will see your temporal body with no movement or life. (death) GOD even tells you that once you take your last breath, then you will be before of the judgement seat of GOD. I don’t judge you because GOD ALONE will judge you for your attitude and actions. My prayer and hope is that you have a relationship with the true and living GOD before your last breath. Only GOD can kill your Spirit since he created you and gave you destiny, purpose and vision for your life. Let’s keep in mind. Heaven is living with GOD for eternity and Hell is seperation from GOD for eternity. This is your choice of which one you desire. YOu will find out the truth either on this earth or when you die. As far as the young men and women that were killed, it was one of my coworker’s daughters. Guess what? She called me because GOD has proven HIMSELF in me through various stages of her life. I find it sad that many people cannot or will not worship a GREAT GOD. Read JOB in the bible one day and see in Chapter one that Satan even had to ask permission from GOD to mess with one of HIS people. GOD’s only direction to SATAN was not to kill JOB. SATAN’s assignment is to steal, kill and destroy. HIS job is to get you to not believe in GOD.

  • Jihadist

    BGone,I sorry for the loss of your brother. I only hope he died peacefully in his bed. I am not marginalizing your brother’s life and death in pausing to reflect on the shock, loss and grief of the families of the victims of Virginia Tech’s senseless killings and not to argue about where is God or is there a God in all of this. How your brother lived and will be remembered by family and friends is more important than what will happen in the afterlife or not at all. My condolences to you and your family on your brother’s death.

  • Anonymous

    I suspect that God and Devil are two sides of the same being. Crazy belief, I know but I wonder sometimes. The horror of the VA Tech massacre and the rape and murder of children that goes on, I mean free will, okay, but I wonder how things like this happen and people can still maintain their faith. Where is God? I believe in a metaphysical existence beyond this one but there are times when I wonder about these things. I think Bishop Tutu’s words were meant for comfort. I don’t doubt his sincerity.

  • xona

    GOD doesn’t care. GOD doesn’t love. GOD doesn’t protect. GOD doesn’t partake in the affairs of man.

  • Anonymous

    VT’s tragedy might have something to do with racism. Racial discrimination is very serious in US and Canada. Here is my story as an example: am a Chinese immigrant residing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My human rights case started with an academic dispute between a professor David Waterhouse of the University of Toronto U of T and me about whether the concept of beauty is a European concept, and developed into a brutal political/racial persecution on me organized by the Canadian and US Governments. This persecution was purposed to cover up the fraud committed by Waterhouse in his retaliation against me for loss of his argument on the concept of beauty. It involved a conspiracy of the Ontario Human Rights Commission the OHRC, the U of T and a professor, James Cahill of the University of California at Berkeley UC to set me up for criminal prosecution on a fabricated crime plotted by an entrapment using the confidentiality rule of the Commission. The Canadian criminal court criminalized me for this bogus crime. And in the meantime, both the Canadian and US criminal systems denied my most fundamental legal right to redress true crimes against me committed by agents of the both governments, such as perjuries committed by the OHRC officer Alan Strojin at my criminal trial, Cahills perjuries against my civil rights case against him in US, a court supervisor of Californias forgery of court document, etc., despite these crimes are all proven on written documents. The US government even refuses to investigate public death threat on Internet by agent of its government which threatened that the government would make me disappear. Meanwhile the civil courts both in California, USA, and in Canada are actively engaging themselves in the oppression of my litigation against the perpetrators of my human rights case. This engagement in US even involves the California Court of Appeal judges conspiracy with the defendants of my civil rights case to fraud California laws to deceive me and on that basis to dismiss my case. California Superior Court supervisor went as far as to commit criminal fraud to forge court document to set me up for the defendant of my case to prosecute me as vexatious litigant for purpose to bar me from access to court, etc. In Canada, I have already been unlawfully barred from access to court by court order, and all my due process rights were literally denied by courts, in that I was not even allowed to oppose the defendants of my civil rights cases – to argue with them in anyway the law provides. With compelled exclusion of my participation in my cases, the court decided on my cases one-sidedly with the Defendants to dismiss all my cases. I have to publish my story on the Internet since virtually all Canadian and U.S. main stream media declined to publish my story, and those so-called human rights groups such as the Human Rights Watch, etc. ignored my request for investigation. Further more, the cover ups for Canada and US have expanded to the United Nations so that my access to international human rights community has also been blocked by Canada and US. As the Office of High Commissioner for Human Rights of UN, headed by Louise Arbour, a former judge of Supreme Court of Canada, seized all the complaints I sent to UNs human rights bodies, in violation of the UNs human rights complaint procedures. It is a best illustration of hypocrisy of the Western democracy and freedom.Wanxia Liao

  • Anonymous

    Jacob,Do you have something that shows the mother’s names of Noah and Abraham to be something else? If so, tell us your source and the names.

  • soulfood

    While a religious discussion might facilitate the healing process for some, it does absolutely nothing to address the actual issue. Such a discussion, by definition, is metaphysical rather than concrete. Physiological questions aside, this event is about how certain individual and social mechanisms lead to alienation.

  • Anonymous

    Jacob,If you studied up a little more on other religions, you’d know where those names came from. They are in religious texts. Sometimes I wish I understood you better. It makes me sad to read your posts sometimes. One too many rides on the coaster?

  • albert

    Many of you who have posted here are the reason this country is doomed.

  • BGone

    JON:The fellow who wrote what you said ending up at the “great judgment seat” of God was looling at a picture of that seat, throne of God. If not then where did the idea come from?That picture, or one like it can be seen at CHALLENGE: Identify God for me so that I can verify that the visions I have are of God and not some other creature. What are the particulars of God, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, must be a duck sort of things that I can use to say any vision or other sensual contact with beings, supernatural or otherwise is actually God.The nonsense you are spouting is used by the ministry to J-Hawk [threaten with hell and then pass the plate for free money] the road between this life and the next. That idea comes from Pharaoh, the first ever “son of God.” No one has ever spoken to God, seen God or anything in the neighborhood because “God Can’t Be Identified” unless God is an office held by a man. Pharaoh invented the office of God and the ministry imitates Pharaoh.All Pharaohs were Christs. Jesus Christ was a woman who wanted to be Pharaoh but couldn’t because God is MALE.

  • Joachim

    Thank you Honorable Desmond TutuAs for the atheist who posted, my question would be this: How can one be an atheist if God did not exist?

  • Glen

    The Bishop writes with great style and we all agree with his gracious statements and hope with all our hearts that the Bishop’s beautiful prose will be a comfort. I don’t know where he gets this idea of a weak God who bows down to human freedom but maybe there is a scriptural reference someone can find to support the Bishop’s proclamation of a weak God. Here are a couple of passages that seem to counter the weak God statement: Job 42:02 “I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.” Daniel 3:17 “… our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us … but if not, be it known to you, O King, that we will not serve your gods …” God is able and he can can not be thwarted by anything, including human freedom. Is the Bishop making these things up by incorporating some kind of extrapolated Deist theology in his syncretistic belief system?

  • Karen

    You need to read Matthew 25:1-13 13:”So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.”

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