Fatwas and Modernity

Almost two years ago the citizens of London were victims of a great atrocity. Those who perpetrated those crimes would … Continued

Almost two years ago the citizens of London were victims of a great atrocity. Those who perpetrated those crimes would like you to believe that they were inspired by the religion of Islam. Nothing could be further from the truth.

There is nothing in Islam that could ever justify these blatant acts of aggression. Islam calls on Muslims to be productive members of whatever society they find themselves in. Islam embodies a flexibility that allows Muslims to do so without any internal or external conflict. This is why we see a vast variety of cultural, artistic and civilisational phenomena all of which can be described as Islamic, ranging from the Taj Mahal in India to the winding streets of Fez to the poetry composed by English converts that represents not only the rigor of English verse, but also encompasses the beauty of Islamic piety.

This flexibility is not just present in the cultural output of Muslims; it is an integral part of the Islamic legal tradition as well. In fact, you could say it is one of the defining characteristics of Islamic law. Islamic law is both a methodology and the collection of positions adopted by Muslim jurists over the last 1,400 years. Those centuries were witness to no less than 90 schools of legal thought, and the 21st century finds us in the providential position to look back on this tradition in order to find that which will benefit us today. This is one of the first steps in the issuing of a fatwa (religious opinion/ruling).

Fatwas represent the bridge between the legal tradition and the contemporary world in which we live. They are the link between the past and the present, the absolute and the relative, the theoretical and the practical. For this reason it takes more than just knowledge of Islamic law to issue a fatwa. A Mufti who does not know the contemporary world in which he/she lives is like a person who has the ability to walk and might also have the ability to run. However, they move through a dark path without a light in their hand. It is possible that they will make it, but in most cases they will fall and perish. Muftis must also have an in-depth understanding of the problems that their communities are facing. When those who lack these qualifications issue fatwas the result is the extremism we see today, the kind witnessed on 7/7. We have to be clear about what is at stake here. When each and every person’s unqualified opinion is considered a fatwa we lose a tool that is of the utmost importance for reigning in extremism and preserving the flexibility and balance of Islamic law.

This flexibility is present in the Islamic political sphere as well, but this is a point that is often missed. Many assume that an Islamic government must be a caliphate, and that the caliph must rule in a set and specific way. There is no basis for this vision within the Islamic tradition. The caliphate is one political solution that Muslims adopted during a certain historical period, but this does not mean that it is the only possible choice for Muslims when it comes to deciding how they should be governed.

The experience that Egypt went through can be taken as an example of this. The period of development begun by Muhammad Ali Pasha and continued by the Khedive Ismail was an attempt to build a modern state. This meant a reformulation of Islamic law. This process led Egypt to become a liberal state run by a system of democracy without any objections from Muslim scholars. Muslims are free to choose whichever system of government they deem most appropriate for them.

The principles of freedom and human dignity for which liberal democracy stands are themselves part of the foundation for the Islamic world view; it is the achievement of this freedom and dignity within a religious context that Islamic law strives for.

The world has witnessed tremendous change over the last two hundred years. This change came in the form of new technologies and political ideologies. There were also new developments in communications allowing us to be aware of what is happening in nearly every part of the world the instant that it occurs, whereas in the past it would take months if not years for even the most urgent news to spread. This wave of change has caused a complete alteration of nearly every aspect of our lives. It is this modern occurrence that presents the greatest difficulty to Muslim jurists and Muftis. In the past there was little alternation of the way things worked and progressed. Even when things changed it was slow and isolated to a handful of fields. The change of the past 200 years, however, has made it necessary to re-examine how everything works. Meaning that the way in which Islamic law is applied must take into account this change.

The flexibility and adaptability of Islamic law is perhaps its greatest asset. To provide people with practical and relevant guidance while at the same time staying true to its foundational principles, Islam allows the wisdom and moral strength of revelation to be applied in modern times. It is through adopting this attitude towards the shari’a that an authentic, contemporary, “moderate” and tolerant Islam can provide solutions to the problems confronting the Muslim world and the West today. Muslims must hold fast to this tradition in order to stand in the face of those who would use our religion for their own agendas.

Sheikh Ali Gomaa is the Grand Mufti of the Arab Republic of Egypt – the second highest religious position in the country. He oversees the premier institution in the Muslim world for religious legal direction, Dar al-Ifta al-Misriyyah. This essay is distributed by Common Ground News Service.

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  • Asim

    Dr.Juma’s piece is long over due but still very timely and refreshing to hear from an authority on Islam and Islamic Jurisprudence. It is co-incidental that I saw Dr. Juma today on the Arabic TV channel MBC1 discussing the prerequisites for a proper FATWA.

  • Ann O.

    Thank you, Sheikh Ali Gomaa, for a very informative and hopeful post. That laws should change while maintaining what is good from the past is, I think, a necessity for any culture to remain viable.My main problem with contemporary Islam as I know it (which I confess isn’t well)is the same problem I have with Christian fundamentalism. I mean the literal interpretation of scripture. It seems to me that Islam would benefit as much from some of the new methods when wisely applied as the Protestants and now the Roman Catholic exegetes have found them. I mean the methods which show that literal interpretations were apparently not the intention of the writer. I read recently about a method of studying the rhetorical structure of the Qu’ran which shows it to have an extremely intricate rhetorical structure which was, in fact, typical of Semitic writings of the early times. Unfortunately, such rhetoric, not being understood today, easily causes misunderstandings in contemporary readers both Islamic and otherwise. Is there much movement among Islamic scholars to use some of these contemporary methods of exegesis? I must confess that certain parts of the Qu’ran seem to be ungenerous calls to violence and war. And this is what frightens so many of us non-Muslims. This apparent bellicosity contradicts the gentle approach to life that poets such as Rumi express so wonderfully well for all of us.

  • frank collins

    what a bunch of garbage.

  • r paul

    All the above commentators, including the Sheik, miss the essential point that each person pursuing his own agenda will find in The Quran, The Bible, Torah, New Testament, whatever, the necessary words to justify their position and their actions. It is worthless to argue against Fundamentalists, Islamic, Judaic, or Christian, on the basis of their interpretation of scripture. You may know what the book says, but they also know what it says, and the two knowledges just don’t match. Proving that a fatwa issued by an ignorant or corrupt mufti is incorrect will do nothing to prevent the followers from obeying the fatwa if it suits them to do so.

  • gerald hall

    I can think of a recent example of a learned Islamic scholar and leader who issued a fatwa that was extreme in its very nature:The learned scholar: Ayatollah KhomeniThe fatwa that he issued: That Salman Rushdie, the author of the novel The Satanic Letters, be killed.What is so “moderate” or “tolerant” about this? From what I can tell, absolutely nothing. Man has no right to judge his fellow man is such a way. Only God himself has that right because His judgement is the only perfect judgement. Man’s judgement is flawed by its very nature and only breeds injustice as its fruit. Jesus called on mankind to forgive his fellow man instead. It is a concept that all people, including learned Muslims, should follow as God’s command.

  • JBE

    Thank you for presenting a measured, enlightened, and full landscape on the subject. It is important for all enlightened and educated Muslims to speak out and write about Islam 10 times more often than the ignorants who kill speak out, or present their ignorant, un-enlightened, cave-era ideas on Islam. Re Fatwas… my Syrian, Muslim mother tells me *fatwas* of any kind have no basis in Islamic law, are made by men who want to control other people on false authority, and are indefensible because no mufti can achieve the understanding of the world population’s widely varied, realities-on-the-ground required to interpret Islamic law “for all”. Such a scholar would have to grow up in every village on earth, in every country on the planet, and walk in every man’s and every woman’s shoes to have the insight as to how Islamic law should be applied via a “fatwa”. Since it is impossible to know enough to be correct in judgement for all, it is illegal to issue a fatwa of any kind today.Everything else you say rings true. Every mufti who issues a fatwa thinks he has all the answers… Based on the points you make alone, and notwithstanding the very nature of humans to attempt control of other humans for personal gain… it is impossible for any fatwa to be legal.

  • druvas

    In a nut shell: Shiek Ali Gomaa, haa, haa, haaa, haaa (followed by more hysterical laughter, then trailing off into bored indifference).

  • DE Teodoru

    Islam and Christianity are two (or, factionally, maybe many) cannonic bureaucracies fighting for power by adopting dogmas that exploit the rage, hate and fear of today aging populations rather than the espoused transcendental freedom from mundane modernity that globalization supposedly espouses. Christianity’s strength in America is a popular inferiority complex reaction to science and mathematics, so badly taught in our schools. While math has modeled plausible answers to critical “how?” questions of science, Algebra I is totally beyond 90% of Americans. They prefer to play the lottery and pray that they win rather than calculate the prospects. And science is, after all, not an answers but an endless questions factory. So why not read one book as THE answer to EVERYTHING….To a nation of tolerated crib-sheet operators admired as “clever” when cheating on final exams and of– at best– “C” students like GW Bush who bragged at a Yale Commencement that he is proof that a “C” student can be president and Cheney is proof that a “college dropout” can be vice president, he reminded America of the power of Bible-babble per Billy Graham’s appeal to the self medicated drugs and booze types like GW.Much of today’s Christian Fundamentalists are 70s “commune gang-bangers” who realized that when it comes to sex: “easy comes, easy goes.” So they hope Jesus can serve as a sex cop. Alas, we have seen that abstinence campaigns for Jesus do little more than cover perverts and crooks, tax-exempt! In Europe, aging is fought off with contraception. The rule is that no pregnancy, no stretch marks and no flab for women. For men, no babies means more money for more mistresses to keep, hence aging is delayed by the subsequent “exercise”– both physically and mentally as in the art of deception.Muslims who watched a few get filthy rich and a lot get nothing but hungry mouths to feed, Mullahs who bring God’s O.K. to crime are highly prized. And for youths who found education NOT liberating but only humiliating in the face of families expecting a pot of gold at the end of supporting kids through college, to become Shahids may or may not provide 70 virgins, but it sure changes your image from worthless moocher to hero of the faith. And worst still are all the rich kids who now can no longer admire “Che” so they do one way acts of terror as suicide bombers to assuage the conscience of being filthy rich kids thanks to pops that are depraved crooks.All in all, America is getting old and scared so it hates everyone it can’t blow up remote-control. Muslims are young and feel like real “mensch” because they CAN blow people up remote control, if not all together now.Religion is not the problem; it is a mere MEANS to the end of MADNESS. The fuel for this insane process is oil rather than poppy juice or cocaine or booze. Some of us may not go for heroine but we sure are addicted to our SUVs. That hold on the “Great Satan” may be incidental, but it convinces many Islamic radicals that killing themselves killing us is God’s work so we can’t escape them. Only if we end our fossil fuel dependency can we demonstrated to the young shahids what the Six-Days War of 1967 proved to Arabs: Allah is not with those who call for blood, but with those who use science and technology smart.Daniel E. Teodoru

  • Frank the Scholar?

    Wow Frank, you have a wealth of knowledge at your slimmy fingertips huh? Good for you! If you have so much knowledge about Islamic theology and history then you surely must be fluent in Arabic and have a PhD in history and politics! I am so proud of you. You talk as if your society has done no wrong to the world now and the past. Forget a thousand years ago , let’s talk about the last 100 and you’ll find plenty of errors on Christians and Americans and Brits and Russians and Germans and Chinese. Until you can understand the process of issuing a fatwa I suggest you don’t comment it b.c you are just wasting time. When the topic of fatwas arise it seems like those uneducated think that throughout Islamic history fatwas were being thrown left and right (as many Christians did in Europe). Some of the greatest scholars would issue so few fatwas b.c. of the fear of misguiding believers, which is the problem of today.

  • Jon

    Sheikh,

  • adil

    well hello frank ..the conversation is nothing without you!

  • Anonymous

    Gomaa has recently apologised for his urine fatwa.”Gomaa himself is the author of a controversial book which claimed that Prophet Mohammed’s (PBUH) companions used to drink his urine, considering it a blessed act, as reported by Al-Masry Al-Youm newspaper. Gomaa stuck to his position despite criticism, claiming that everything which emanated from the Prophet is pure and sacred.”

  • sammer muhammad

    Again,instead of reading and learning from an educated man, we have the muslem bashers coming out in full force. The posters above quote made up verses from the Koran. Please quit the lies. Sheikh Guma, thank you for pointing out that Islam is not frigid in its ways. Many of the fundamentalist muslems must remember our history of education,innovations and enlightenment. Sharia law is only to be applied in countries that want it and are ready for it. The Koran specifically says that there is no compulsion or force in religion. If only the Fundamentalists can remember some of these things. Fatwas issued by idiot Sheikhs who have no authority to issue them, in order to please Bin Laden and his like, must be forced to not issue more fatwas. i appreciate moderate voices like yourself and also commend when the Western media actually shows these voices.

  • Monika

    PEACE TO ALL.!!

  • Anonymous

    PEACE TO ALL.!!

  • druvas

    Sammer Muhammad: So what kind of force would you use in stopping these “idiot Sheikhs” from issuing fatwas? I think you prove the point that Frank and others like him are making. Violence against others is not simply a virtue of the fundamentalist Muslims, but in fact, a virtue of the written Word in the Koran. If a great many Muslims choose not to be violent, that does not take away the violent message, only some of the messangers.

  • druvas

    Sammer Muhammad: So what kind of force would you use in stopping these “idiot Sheikhs” from issuing fatwas? I think you prove the point that Frank and others like him are making. Violence against others is not simply a virtue of the fundamentalist Muslims, but in fact, a virtue of the written Word in the Koran. If a great many Muslims choose not to be violent, that does not take away the violent message, only some of the messangers. And also, who do you consider to have the authority to issue fatwas? The Ayatollah of Iran? The Western media has been following “moderate” and “liberal” Muslims since 9/11 like a bunch of love-sick puppies. So please don’t make it out to be a rare thing. The only thing rare about it is the quantity of moderate Muslims on TV denouncing terrorist acts.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D.,L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Rich Rosenthal

    Nice try to put pretty makeup on the face of a rabid dog. I am actually trying to be generous and kind so respect my restraint. The fact the Islam is so tolerant of it extreemist brethren, condones lying in some instances, and has yet to collectively condemn terrorism is all the evidence civilized humans require to recognize Islam as incompatable with civilization. Normally I would request all those sworn to mohammad to gather at mecca so we could vaporize you all with just one nuke but I realize that muslims really don’t have much of a choice and are ultimately victims of Islam. So I recommend that you strive for separation of religion and state everywhere, issue the biggest fatwa you can to condemn fundamentalism and specifically call on all Muslims to exterminate Osama and terrorism. Then we can talk about how wonderful moderate Islam is.

  • No name

    I grew up in a muslim country (my first 27 years)and was raised muslim although I was not very faithful. I am no expert in Islam but in my almost 30 years of living in a muslim country I have never heard of Fatwa. The first fatwa I heard of was the one issued against the British author– Rushdie. What I was taught in Islam is that what I do is between me and my creator and that no one can tell me what to do or not to do. IMO, this fatwa thing in nothing more than men trying to impose on people what they cannot win using argumentation.

  • brian

    Ok. This is the same dude that wrote a book a few years ago stating that Mohammed’s companions used to drink his URINE considering it a blessed act.End of discussion. Shut down the posts.

  • Wild Bill

    I’d be more impressed if he wrote this article in arabic and passed it along the Muslim communities. Even Arafat spoke of peace in English, and then told his followers to kill Americans and Israelies in Arabic.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    It might also help if those charged with commentary on comparative religions, or who choose to comment as a matter of course, might make themselves aware of ESPECIALLY Zacariah Sitchen’s multiple publications [even now available in paperback] that are collectively entitled THE EARTH CHRONICALS.The Biblical Book of Genesis itself referrers to a period of pre-history, mostly in the antediluvian period [before the Great Flood] and of how the ELOHIM [vernacular term — angels] came to Earth and created all of the major civilizations over EXTENDED periods of time and of what they bequeathed to humanity in that process — which INITIALLY ENDS with the advent of the Great Flood.Among other interesting things noted, the story of Adam & Eve, Cain & Abel, are set forth in MUCH GREATER detail than found in the Book of Genesis. So, where did it come from? The surviving Sumerian record[s], which are generally the basis for the Book of Genesis anyway.Cain kills Abel and is ‘expelled’ from the Garden of Eden, but where does he go and ESPECIALLY how does he get there. Hint — he is taken to the region of Lake Titicaca, where a new civilization is begun — but even better, he is returned but only for a brief visit to the Garden of Eden, to witness the death of his father, Adam — after which, its back to Tiahuanaku. But how did he travel — if I told you, you probably wouldn’t believe me anyway, so start with The Lost Book of Enki by Sitchin — Enki is also called Yehweh/Allah. Happy reading !!!

  • jon

    Brian:”Gomaa stuck to his position despite criticism, claiming that everything which emanated from the Prophet is pure and sacred.”What were Mo’s companion’s eating?

  • Gary Gill

    All religious faiths have a fault in that they were created by humans who are imperfect by definition. Know one knows what Mohammad or Jesus or any other prophet said as no one was there recording/writing it at that moment. For all we know they were ficticious or absolute crazy people that happened to have sheep-like flocks of humans follow them. Therefore all of these conversations/comments are a waste of time and effort over such a silly thing as religion. How can anyone be a scholar of something that is not real? Sorry Sheikh and to keep it fair the same goes for all of the Christian and or Jewish scholars.

  • John

    I commend Sheikh Ali’s wisdom and courage in expressing his viewpoint. I’m sure there are a lot of loonies in the middle east who would love to see him killed for his opiniions. It is true that fundamentalists of any religion will insist that their literal interpretation of their scripture is the only interpretation possible. And they will use these interpretations to justify whatever behavior they want. The current crop of islamo-fanatics are no closer to true Islam than the Ku Klux Klan was to true Christianity.

  • M

    Does the Sheikh know that Taj Mahal was built by several Hindu and muslim builders under Shah Janahan, a mughal (muslim) ruler, who after the completion of the monument immediately chopped of the hands of all the builders so that the Taj can never be copied again! This is Islam for you.

  • SAM

    No matter how much we argue and analyse, when it comes to religions,all religions, we reach nowhere. Why don’t we just forget all about such ancient fairy tales and judge others on the merits of what they do,not on their inherited faith.

  • Danny B.

    AH-HA-HA! Frank, you slay me! Every once in a while it actually pays (in entertainment value) to read your ignorant slop!You (HAAAA!!!) said: “when i teach, which is not often, i get paid at the phd salary level and everyone calls me doctor. but even if i drove camels – i can read and in this case i read the koran and i quoted a few verses – there are lots more.”Being paid (they should get their money back) at the PhD. salary level and being CALLED “doctor” is not he same as ACTUALLY having a PhD.!So, being able to read is basically the same? Don’t tell my parents…they will want a lot of money back from the Univerity for my education.You posted: “so when are you islamic defenders going to answer a question? i keep asking real easy one and no one will answer them. why is that?”Maybe it’s because it doesn’t require a PhD. to recognize an idiot!Oh Frank, I’m sure the only degree you have is that degree of ridiculousness!

  • WPC

    Frank Collins, who calls Islam a source of war and hate while ignoring the equally heinous things done by people who called themselves Christian, remains impervious to any facts in these discussions. By the way, people who are followers of Islam are called Muslims, not Islamics. It is always a mistake to judge any belief on the basis of the evil things done by a few in its name. Rather, we should call every believer in that faith to the highest virtues of his tradition. Islam has those virtues in as much abundance as the other great religions. It’s highest expression within Islam is Sufism and its best demonstration in social and political context was al-Andalus (Muslim Spain). The honored Mufti, nevertheless, seems a bit mistaken when he refers to Egypt as a liberal democracy. I would ask him about the requirement that citizens of Egypt must put a religion on their identity cards – but they can select only from Islam, Christianity and Judaism. If they refuse to put one of these religions, they are denied the ID card, which is absolutely essential for enjoying the rights of citizenship, social services, and education. The recent Supreme Administrative Court decision that Baha’is are not to be permitted to enter Baha’i, other, or leave it blank, is an example, urged on by Islamist fanatics who called for the death of the Baha’is during the court proceeding without being removed, and by clerics of Al-Azhar University.People who write venemously here about Islam are deeply mistaken. But you, likewise, need to consider how it is possible for an Islamic cleric to be mistaken about what the proper attitude of Islam should be toward people who do not fit into an outdated definition of who has freedom of worship. If it is to deny them their rights to practice their faith and also deny them the rights of citizenship, then Egypt is not a liberal democracy and Islamic law has failed the most important Qur’anic tests: “Let there be no compulsion in religion” and “To you your religion, to me my religion.”

  • WPC

    Frank Collins, who calls Islam a source of war and hate while ignoring the equally heinous things done by people who called themselves Christian, remains impervious to any facts in these discussions. By the way, people who are followers of Islam are called Muslims, not Islamics. It is always a mistake to judge any belief on the basis of the evil things done by a few in its name. Rather, we should call every believer in that faith to the highest virtues of his tradition. Islam has those virtues in as much abundance as the other great religions. It’s highest expression within Islam is Sufism and its best demonstration in social and political context was al-Andalus (Muslim Spain). The honored Mufti, nevertheless, seems a bit mistaken when he refers to Egypt as a liberal democracy. I would ask him about the requirement that citizens of Egypt must put a religion on their identity cards – but they can select only from Islam, Christianity and Judaism. If they refuse to put one of these religions, they are denied the ID card, which is absolutely essential for enjoying the rights of citizenship, social services, and education. The recent Supreme Administrative Court decision that Baha’is are not to be permitted to enter Baha’i, other, or leave it blank, is an example, urged on by Islamist fanatics who called for the death of the Baha’is during the court proceeding without being removed, and by clerics of Al-Azhar University.People who write venemously here about Islam are deeply mistaken. But you, likewise, need to consider how it is possible for an Islamic cleric to be mistaken about what the proper attitude of Islam should be toward people who do not fit into an outdated definition of who has freedom of worship. If it is to deny them their rights to practice their faith and also deny them the rights of citizenship, then Egypt is not a liberal democracy and Islamic law has failed the most important Qur’anic tests: “Let there be no compulsion in religion” and “To you your religion, to me my religion.”

  • wpc09

    Frank Collins, who calls Islam a source of war and hate while ignoring the equally heinous things done by people who called themselves Christian, remains impervious to any facts in these discussions. By the way, people who are followers of Islam are called Muslims, not Islamics. It is always a mistake to judge any belief on the basis of the evil things done by a few in its name. Rather, we should call every believer in that faith to the highest virtues of his tradition. Islam has those virtues in as much abundance as the other great religions. It’s highest expression within Islam is Sufism and its best demonstration in social and political context was al-Andalus (Muslim Spain). The honored Mufti, nevertheless, seems a bit mistaken when he refers to Egypt as a liberal democracy. I would ask him about the requirement that citizens of Egypt must put a religion on their identity cards – but they can select only from Islam, Christianity and Judaism. If they refuse to put one of these religions, they are denied the ID card, which is absolutely essential for enjoying the rights of citizenship, social services, and education. The recent Supreme Administrative Court decision that Baha’is are not to be permitted to enter Baha’i, other, or leave it blank, is an example, urged on by Islamist fanatics who called for the death of the Baha’is during the court proceeding without being removed, and by clerics of Al-Azhar University.People who write venemously here about Islam are deeply mistaken. But you, likewise, need to consider how it is possible for an Islamic cleric to be mistaken about what the proper attitude of Islam should be toward people who do not fit into an outdated definition of who has freedom of worship. If it is to deny them their rights to practice their faith and also deny them the rights of citizenship, then Egypt is not a liberal democracy and Islamic law has failed the most important Qur’anic tests: “Let there be no compulsion in religion” and “To you your religion, to me my religion.”

  • wpc09

    Frank Collins, who calls Islam a source of war and hate while ignoring the equally heinous things done by people who called themselves Christian, remains impervious to any facts in these discussions. By the way, people who are followers of Islam are called Muslims, not Islamics. It is always a mistake to judge any belief on the basis of the evil things done by a few in its name. Rather, we should call every believer in that faith to the highest virtues of his tradition. Islam has those virtues in as much abundance as the other great religions. It’s highest expression within Islam is Sufism and its best demonstration in social and political context was al-Andalus (Muslim Spain). The honored Mufti, nevertheless, seems a bit mistaken when he refers to Egypt as a liberal democracy. I would ask him about the requirement that citizens of Egypt must put a religion on their identity cards – but they can select only from Islam, Christianity and Judaism. If they refuse to put one of these religions, they are denied the ID card, which is absolutely essential for enjoying the rights of citizenship, social services, and education. The recent Supreme Administrative Court decision that Baha’is are not to be permitted to enter Baha’i, other, or leave it blank, is an example, urged on by Islamist fanatics who called for the death of the Baha’is during the court proceeding without being removed, and by clerics of Al-Azhar University.People who write venemously here about Islam are deeply mistaken. But you, likewise, need to consider how it is possible for an Islamic cleric to be mistaken about what the proper attitude of Islam should be toward people who do not fit into an outdated definition of who has freedom of worship. If it is to deny them their rights to practice their faith and also deny them the rights of citizenship, then Egypt is not a liberal democracy and Islamic law has failed the most important Qur’anic tests: “Let there be no compulsion in religion” and “To you your religion, to me my religion.”

  • wpc09

    Frank Collins, who calls Islam a source of war and hate while ignoring the equally heinous things done by people who called themselves Christian, remains impervious to any facts in these discussions. By the way, people who are followers of Islam are called Muslims, not Islamics. It is always a mistake to judge any belief on the basis of the evil things done by a few in its name. Rather, we should call every believer in that faith to the highest virtues of his tradition. Islam has those virtues in as much abundance as the other great religions. It’s highest expression within Islam is Sufism and its best demonstration in social and political context was al-Andalus (Muslim Spain). The honored Mufti, nevertheless, seems a bit mistaken when he refers to Egypt as a liberal democracy. I would ask him about the requirement that citizens of Egypt must put a religion on their identity cards – but they can select only from Islam, Christianity and Judaism. If they refuse to put one of these religions, they are denied the ID card, which is absolutely essential for enjoying the rights of citizenship, social services, and education. The recent Supreme Administrative Court decision that Baha’is are not to be permitted to enter Baha’i, other, or leave it blank, is an example, urged on by Islamist fanatics who called for the death of the Baha’is during the court proceeding without being removed, and by clerics of Al-Azhar University.People who write venemously here about Islam are deeply mistaken. But you, likewise, need to consider how it is possible for an Islamic cleric to be mistaken about what the proper attitude of Islam should be toward people who do not fit into an outdated definition of who has freedom of worship. If it is to deny them their rights to practice their faith and also deny them the rights of citizenship, then Egypt is not a liberal democracy and Islamic law has failed the most important Qur’anic tests: “Let there be no compulsion in religion” and “To you your religion, to me my religion.”

  • Reza

    Hi all,One by one.“Mohammed was an illiterate Arab. How did this work then? It is obvious he could not proofread the book of Death to verify his hallucinogenic messages from “mythical Gabriel”. So are we to rely on the “scribblings” of scribes who obviously plagiarized from the all the ancient religions and then added their own agenda to justify the looting and pillaging of the lands of the non-believers?”This argument is not at all logical. If the scribes or any of the early muslims wanted to have an agenda to justify looting and pillaging, then why, in the face of persecution in Makkah, didn’t they just acquiesce to their persecutors demands? If they “obviously plagiarized” ALL of the ancient religions, then why didn’t they plagiarize the most important part or the most important religion of that area, i.e. many gods and polytheism? Why oppose the most powerful, when you can just write whatever you want, as you have claimed? It doesn’t make sense at all.“and what is the difference between a moderate or progressive islamic and your general run of the mill islamic?”Islamic is a modifier for an inanimate object, not for people. Your ignorance is brilliant.“so tell us in what context do you put the war like history of islam, considering that they started the war before anyone ever knew about them. or why there are no longer any jews in mecca?”This line of discussion will not get us anywhere. After all, Christianity did not achieve its dominance in the near east through entirely peaceful means. Indeed, in the speech urging on the crusades (as recorded by Robert the Monk), Pope Urban says,“Let the deeds of your ancestors move you and incite your minds to manly achievements; the glory and greatness of king Charles the Great, and of his son Louis, and of your other kings, who have destroyed the kingdoms of the pagans, and have extended in these lands the territory of the holy church. Let the holy sepulchre of the Lord our Saviour, which is possessed by unclean nations, especially incite you, and the holy places which are now treated with ignominy and irreverently polluted with their filthiness. Oh, most valiant soldiers and descendants of invincible ancestors, be not degenerate, but recall the valor of your progenitors.”These fatwas exist. You just don’t hear about them for whatever reason. “I am curious to know the reason why, in your “Guest Voices” article “Fatwas and Modernism” you did not mention your own recent fatwa that (as I understand it) states that since Islam prohibits statues, none should be allowed in modern Egypt. In part, I need you to help me understand how this fatwa in particular embodies your stance that Islam is flexible.”This is an excellent question. Well, what would you consider flexible or inflexible? It is just like what is moderate depends on what are the extremes. I suppose that you would consider that keeping 10% or 50% of the statues would consititute flexibility. I cannot speak for the Sheikh, but it is my understanding that 2-dimensional representations may be acceptable. I would consider this flexible in that accommodates the desire to portray something or something, but also accommodates the restriction on statues. I understand that this is not necessarily what the Sheikh meant (because I’ve studied Islamic jurisprudence), but it is illustrative of the concept. Flexibility would mean a willingness to compromise or an ability to adapt to changing circumstances. In my example, the compromise is that you may represent but not in three dimensions.

  • Danny B.

    WPC, Welcome, and you make some valid points.You pointed out: “Frank Collins, who calls Islam a source of war and hate while ignoring the equally heinous things done by people who called themselves Christian, remains impervious to any facts in these discussions.DOCTOR Collins will argue that Jesus never told anyone to kill, blah, blah, blah…and the the Koran specifically requires it…then trot out his sound bites.Then you pointed out: “By the way, people who are followers of Islam are called Muslims, not Islamics.”I noticed this too, but would never presume to correct such an illustrious scholar as the “Doctor” who is paid LIKE a PhD.!Then again, he also doesn’t seem to think that “I” is a proper noun, so who knows?Stick around…he only gets more amazing!

  • Danny B.

    Well put Reza.

  • Garak

    Frank Collins is at it again with his allegedly historical catalogue of Islamic violence. OK, Frank, what about Christian violence:Saint Augustine’s cognite intrare (“lead them in”—i.e. “force them to convert”). In fact the Qur’an says the exact opposite: There is no compulsion in religion (2:256 ). Augustine’s frightening idea that all must be compelled to “conform” to the “true Christian faith” has unleashed centuries of unparalleled bloodshed. Indeed, Christians have suffered more under the rule of Christian civilization than under pre- Christian Roman rule or any other rule in history. Millions were tortured and slaughtered in the name of Christianity during the periods of the Arian, Donatist and Albigensian heresiesThe Crusades: Europe’s Reformation and Counter Reformation Era: Two thirds of the Christian population of Europe was slaughtered by ChristiansThe African slave trade: The Colonial Conquests: The 20th century’s Western Civilization took warfare to new extremes. A conservative estimate puts the total number of brutal deaths in the 20th century at more than 250 million. Of these, Muslims are responsible for less than 10 million deaths. Christians, or those coming from Christian backgrounds account for more than 200 million of these! The greatest death totals come from World War I (about 20 million, at least 90 % of which were inflicted by “Christians”) and World War II (90 million, at least 50% of which were inflicted by “Christians,” the majority of the rest occurring in the Far East). Given this grim history, it appears that we Europeans must all come to grips with the fact that Islamic civilization has actually been incomparably less brutal than Christian civilization. Did the Holocaust of over 6 million Jews occur out of the background of a Muslim Civilization?In the 20th century alone, Western and/or Christian powers have been responsible for at least twenty times more deaths than have Muslim powers. In this most brutal of centuries, we created incomparably more civilian casualties than have Muslims in the whole of Islamic history.In the 20th century:Rawanda, 1994: 1992-1995 Bosnia: And best of all, Frank, the Holocaust of the Jews. This was a quintessentially Christian event, stemming directly from Christian hatred of Jews. A hatred of 2000 years. Tell me, Frank, do you thank your God for the Holocaust? Do you thank sweet Jesus for Auschwitz? You should, ’cause he sure did it.”Kill them all and let God sort them out!” Only a true Christian could say this.

  • gary

    frank collins got it right. you won’t find christians told to kill unbelievers in the new testament and any that do are wrong.frank the scholar tells collins to shut up and not comment. well,i guess we will have to defend ourselves.

  • gary

    frank collins got it right. you won’t find christians told to kill unbelievers in the new testament and any that do are wrong.frank the scholar tells collins to shut up and not comment. well,i guess we will have to defend ourselves.

  • Ali

    This comment is in refrence to every one of you who either praised Shiekh’s article or condemned it- Before you can color yourself as Jewish, Christian or Muslim you need to learn some about the base of understanding a true relegion. The very base is understanding yourselve as a humanbeing (wants, desires, streghnth and weekness)then you need to learn about your sorounding (earth, mountains, sky, rocks..)to compare yourself to these powerful objects in the society and then you need to look deep in yoursleves to find out the reason for your existance. After you come to a conclusion then I want you to look into the horrible and tragic history of mankind and those inhuman crimes that we as human beings have committed(no relegious afiliation). What mad those despised leaders to kill thousands of innocents in the name of their regimes? What was that stregnth that supported them in killing thousands of innocents by diffrent meanse? We can’t even think of killing a parrote yet in the other part of the world people kill humans. We do not want to stray away from topic but what I want to pinpoint towards is that in a state of chaos every one becomes an animal. Our trained soldiers commit crimes of killing civilians but once they are back in US they fall into the rules of the country. You hardly see any one walk around and beat people in the states and that is because of the laws and rules of the state Not every one necessarly like these laws and (Drug dealers, Gang members, Drunks, Adicts, or any one who can not maintain himself/herself)still get in trouble, sure the government punish them too. Fetwa is just like the jurisdication of a country where laws are passed at the municiple levle and send to higher courts for review. Fetwa from an educated and informed Muftie is more likely to get genrally accepted and followed while the other one contradicts himself. So there is nothing wrong by following a relgious fetwa (I am refering to all the relegions) for their fetwas are the reason of the law and regulation in a society. There is nothing wrong to be relegious but following a wrong theology is a crime. Thank you for reading and visit my URL

  • reza

    Danny B.: Thanks and let’s be committed to dialogue.Hi Concerned Christian,I really do not understand the point of your post. I assume that you refer to the Qur’an as the Book that needs cleansing. Is your use of the term cleansing, similar to ethnic cleansing? I digress.I question your premises and assumptions. What does it mean to cleanse? Do you mean to make pure or remove dirt or filth? Once again, this is based on your own view of what is pure and what is impure. You must have criteria to determine whether something is “clean” or “unclean” (have you ever read Leviticus???). So, what are your criteria? That the book should reflect the Bible or Christian belief? Do you seek to make Islam “clean” or is that just a euphemism to make Islam “Christian”?#1: What “should” this be added?Muhammad (sas) was not hungry. His wife Khadijiah (ra) or one of her servants would bring him food nightly. He would fast in his regular manner which is during the day only. Second, caves are cool, not hot, that’s why some animals spend the day there.

  • Mike

    Reza,I am not a Muslim, but you make a very cogent and logical argument. Thank you sir.

  • CAG

    In today’s world one easily sees a huge gap between Islam and all the other ideologies. And it’s often said that while all ideologies have evolved and adapted to the changing times, Islam has remained a non-tolerant, backward religion and is on a collision course with everything modern or civilized. However, the fact that Islam in general has had the power to preserve itself from the changes of modern times, not all of which were necessarily good for humanity, makes me feel there is something divine, authentic, and Godly about this religion.Peace to all.

  • Concerned The Christian Now Liberated

    Reza,I thought it was obvious but apparently not. The koran needs to have all the elements of militarism removed/deleted/cleaned out. Ditto for all the anti-female elements. To do that you must put Allah, the “prophet” and messenger in the reality of history. And I find it amazing that you did not mention your required belief in angels. Hmmm, but I guess if you kill/mythicize the messenger, the messages become mute and thereby are nothing more than the scribble of Arabic scribes repeating the messages of the ancients (e.g. Hittites, Babylonians, Egyptians, Macedonians, Buddhists et al).Allah, God, Zeus, Mother Nature, et al (peace be upon them)

  • salim

    gosh, good to see so many people are interested in islam, in a good or bad way, it doesn’t really matter cause thats how islam is supposed to spread whith words and not swords.

  • donizeti rodrigues inácio

    The word needs peace and everybody living in peace, dont mind religion, and the most important is the love blowing in every world.A BIG LOVE POR EVERYBODY

  • donizeti rodrigues inácio

    The word needs peace and everybody living in peace, dont mind religion, and the most important is the love blowing in every world.A BIG LOVE POR EVERYBODY

  • donizeti rodrigues inácio

    DEAR FRANK COLLIN,A BIG LOVE POR EVERYBODY

  • Mauricio

    ***FRAUD***FRAUD***FRAUD***FRAUD***FRAUD***FRAUD**This “person” is the MUFTI of Egypt, which means he interpret the Sharia (Muslim Laws) and sign the death penalties by hanging issued by courts.He claims modernity however he’s an imposture since he supported Hamas and Hezballh suicidal operations.He was publicly reprimanded in the last weeks by all the Arab media and his colleagues from other Muslim nations for a book that he have wrote, where he cited a Hadith that drinking the Prophet Muhammad URIN, was a cure from illnesses and a blessing !There was an UPROAR from religion scholars, medical doctors, historians and scientists.His book included other BOGUS Hadith , many of these Hadith are complete FRAUD religiously, historically and scientifically.Having been born a Muslim to one of this person Professors, I know enough about the DARK AND HIDDEN SECRETS of ISLAM, this is why I am no longer a Muslim.I can go on and on about Hadith requiring a woman to breast feed a stranger in order for him to see her face or that a woman can be pregnant for up to FOUR (4) YEARS.Islam is FULL of BIZAR and DANGEROUS examples, one of them are the SEVENTY TWO (72) VIRGINS AND BOYS AWAITING Muslims in Paradise, where the VIRGINS, REMAIN VIRGINS IN SPIT of SEXUAL INTERCOURSES and where the Man keep a PERMANANT ERECTION.These examples are the TIP OF THE ICEBERG……..

  • Anonymous

    Reza and Salim:”After all, Christianity did not achieve its dominance in the near east through entirely peaceful means””i would like to point the fact that having a halo behind a lot of the saints heads is only a technique that artists had to use to create a balance with the sword in the hand….” Moderate Muslims are most often silent. When they speak I clearly hear: the end justifies the means.

  • nina hagen

    Yeah, atrocities. It takes one to know one!!

  • jan

    Dear Mauricio,Thank you, Thank you, Thank you..Your honesty on this board is refreshing. I was hearing things on the net about the truly WEIRD fatwas -even one were its ok for women to surgically have their virginity restored and deceive her husband…Twisted -for what has been taken cannot be returned.

  • John

    What a blessing that an authority like Sheikh Ali Gomaa has the wisdom and courage to speak truth to power. Hopefully the tide is turning in the global mainstream Muslim point of view from the unqualified individuals of which Sheikh Ali speaks, who therefore issue unqualified fatwas which cause unspeakable violence and suffering. My fervent hope is that more Muslim scholars all over the world ceaselessly speak out against those who would interpret the Koran to commit senseless and self-defeating atrocities against both non-Muslims and even their fellow Muslims.

  • Sarmad Paul

    Please read “The Spy of the Heart”.

  • Sarmad Paul

    Please read “he Spy of the Heart”.

  • Anonymous

    One post avers that “Islam has remained a non-tolerant, backward religion and is on a collision course with everything modern or civilized.” That’s a pretty good description of American Christian dominionists and their feckless President Bush. The tide of obscurantism is lapping at Washington D.C. as scientists are censored and marginalized, ancient myths about creation and procreation become mainstream again, “faithyness” is the mode, and the ill-educated American masses sink deeper into ignorance and heedlessness. Would it be that civilization’s texts could be somehow preserved by Muslim scholars as in medieval Baghdad and Andalusia when Europe was in a Dark Age. Alas, that is not to be for the lights of reason and scholarship are dimming in the Arab lands as well. Powerful forces, Christian and Muslim, armed with their archaic dogmas cooked up by shepherds in the deserts thousands of years ago, ache for a clash of civilizations that is not only senseless and unnecessary but fairly easily avoided by literate men of good will and probity if only there were any in positions of power and decision.

  • IFTAKHAR MALIK

    When you sing the songs of hate to the selected audience’s desire and agenda,you will be certainly celebrated ,paid by the audience to the level equal to Phd and will de certainly gleefully called DOCTOR( doctor of manipulation by quoting QURANIC verses out of context to deserve the master’s reward).

  • Mauricio

    To Jan,You are right about the fatwas allowing women to surgically have their virginity restored, I have personnally caused two of them by the age of 19, this was 30 years ago.I should have also mentioned the following ALLOWED Muslim practices: Slavery, TEMPORARY PLEASURE MARRIAGE, Marriage to a girl as young as 9 YEARS OLD as the Prophet did it with Aicha, Sodomy, BIGOTRY and HATRETS for other religions and most of all JIHAD.

  • Chucky

    Hey everyone, I am going to start issuing some Fatwas. Watch this space!

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Sheikh Ali Gomaa’s commentary above is encouraging, but perhaps the REAL ISSUE is what we, in the Western Democracies especially, would call resolution of CONFLICTS OF LAW and of DIVERGING LEGAL OPINIONS of especially the states and the Federal judicial circuits.Perhaps even more significant in theory, but far less so in practice, would be resolution of conflicts between ‘international law’ and the US Constitution itself. Historically, ALLEGEDLY no such conflicts have ever been found, because BOTH are SUPPOSE TO BE the SUPREME law of the land.The United States has a very rich judicial history of Constitutional jurisprudence of well over 250 years of interpretation.’International law,’ however is a MUCH MORE AMBIGUOUS term which was traditionally interpreted to mean the Customary Commercial [Rules] of mostly CHRISTIAN Europe. Not considered in that ‘traditional meaning’ were the laws of the Koran, Buddhist, or Hindu legal traditions, and ESPECIALLY not considered were laws in and between socialist or communist societies generally and IF the Code of Hammurabbi was ever considered, its alleged application was limited to the ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and no cast or social limitations were placed thereon as in fact actually existed under the Code of Hammurabbi of slave, freemen and nobels. The often quoted saying, above stated applied ONLY between the nobels themselves and otherwise damages in silver were awarded.When one today speeks of ‘international law,’ one is usually referring to TREATY law, which is SELDOM in any way international in scope, with the possible exception of treaties of FRIENDSHIP, COMMERCE AND NAVIGATION [FCN.]And while one could claim that when the West attacks Islamic law, it is therefore a case of the pot calling the kettle black, the issuance of Fatwahs by [excuse the expression] by every religious Tom, Dick and Harry claiming ANY right WHATSOEVER to do so in Islam is of EXTREME CONCERN due to the nature and extent of the INSTABILITY being created thereby.Further, the well recoginzed +++++EXCEPTION+++++ [and EXPRESS APPROVAL] that appears in the KORAN itself to TRUTH TELLING to those outside of ISLAM only makes the above an even more extreme issue and creates DOUBTS that NO LEGAL SYSTEM can meaningfully and adequately address.THEREFORE, ISLAM MUST GET ITS OWN HOUSE IN ORDER AND STOP BLAMEING, THE CRUSADERS, THE JEWS AND OUTSIDERS GENERALLY FOR ALL OF ITS PROBLEMS.

  • Anonymous

    ACTUALLY THE 72 VIRGINS THAT MEET ONE WHO SACRIFICES HIS LIFE FOR ”’ISLAM”” ARE NOT WHAT ONE MIGHT EXPECT THEM TO BE:1. They have 72 figures and 72 toes.2. Put your wallet down and at least 36 fingers will likely grab it and that presumes that only 1 virgin notices it.3. When you ask them why they did what they did, you will hear 72 excuses and/or explanations for each point that you raise.4. It is actually the female virgins that have a permanent erection — what a DRAG !!!5. Allegedly, no Astrogel is available for use with these 72 virgins, because Astronauts who recommend Astrogel, have never even seen as much as a single virgin in their space journeys.SO, I HOPE THAT A LITTLE HUMOR IS OCCASIONALLY ALLOWED IN ISLAM !!!

  • Viejita del oeste

    Bruce, you need to be more patient; your post appears 10 times.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Viejita Del Obste — My apologies. For whatever reason, the posting to the ‘On Faith’ section appears to go soooo much more slowly, that I probably hit the mouse a number of times out of frustration.BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THOSE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN I IN THIS FIELD, NAMELY,The God of the Old Testament, Yahweh, is readily identifiable by a virtual paranoia [if I may use that term] towards SEX, indeed so much so, that I am surprised that it took thousands of years before folks in the West decided that ‘the Stork’ brings babies into the world, as a solution to kids EVEN THINKING about the IMPOSSIBLE, namely, their parents had SEX — how horrible — they wouldn’t really do something like THAT, would they ???Whereas, a non-Muslim Westerner gets the impression that SEX in Islam is not only allowed, it is a REWARD in ‘Heaven’ and on Earth, with not only as many women as one can find [or support], but also with young boys [under the age of 13.]If that is so, any form of analysis is likely to reach the same conclusion, namely Yahweh and Allah cannot EVEN POSSIBLY be one and the same deity, even if both are ‘the one God’ and therefore the same one God, because their expressed views on such a fundamental matter APPEAR to be so diametrically opposed to each others teachings.ANY HELPFUL OBSERVATIONS HERE ?????

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Viejita Del Obste — My apologies. For whatever reason, the posting to the ‘On Faith’ section appears to go soooo much more slowly, that I probably hit the mouse a number of times out of frustration.BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THOSE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN I IN THIS FIELD, NAMELY,The God of the Old Testament, Yahweh, is readily identifiable by a virtual paranoia [if I may use that term] towards SEX, indeed so much so, that I am surprised that it took thousands of years before folks in the West decided that ‘the Stork’ brings babies into the world, as a solution to kids EVEN THINKING about the IMPOSSIBLE, namely, their parents had SEX — how horrible — they wouldn’t really do something like THAT, would they ???Whereas, a non-Muslim Westerner gets the impression that SEX in Islam is not only allowed, it is a REWARD in ‘Heaven’ and on Earth, with not only as many women as one can find [or support], but also with young boys [under the age of 13.]If that is so, any form of analysis is likely to reach the same conclusion, namely Yahweh and Allah cannot EVEN POSSIBLY be one and the same deity, even if both are ‘the one God’ and therefore the same one God, because their expressed views on such a fundamental matter APPEAR to be so diametrically opposed to each others teachings.ANY HELPFUL OBSERVATIONS HERE ?????

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    Viejita Del Obste — My apologies. For whatever reason, the posting to the ‘On Faith’ section appears to go soooo much more slowly, that I probably hit the mouse a number of times out of frustration.BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THOSE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN I IN THIS FIELD, NAMELY,The God of the Old Testament, Yahweh, is readily identifiable by a virtual paranoia [if I may use that term] towards SEX, indeed so much so, that I am surprised that it took thousands of years before folks in the West decided that ‘the Stork’ brings babies into the world, as a solution to kids EVEN THINKING about the IMPOSSIBLE, namely, their parents had SEX — how horrible — they wouldn’t really do something like THAT, would they ???Whereas, a non-Muslim Westerner gets the impression that SEX in Islam is not only allowed, it is a REWARD in ‘Heaven’ and on Earth, with not only as many women as one can find [or support], but also with young boys [under the age of 13.]If that is so, any form of analysis is likely to reach the same conclusion, namely Yahweh and Allah cannot EVEN POSSIBLY be one and the same deity, even if both are ‘the one God’ and therefore the same one God, because their expressed views on such a fundamental matter APPEAR to be so diametrically opposed to each others teachings.ANY HELPFUL OBSERVATIONS HERE ?????

  • Danny B.

    Dr. Frank Collins, PhD. posted: “what are you talking about boy?”BOY?! BOY?!Do you write your posts from the front of a bus, or a white-only lunch counter?…or is that a SCHOLARLY example you are setting?

  • Anonymous

    Danny B.:”BOY?! BOY?!”Okay then, was DOES the B stand for?

  • Danny B.

    Anonymous posted: “One post avers that “Islam has remained a non-tolerant, backward religion and is on a collision course with everything modern or civilized.” That’s a pretty good description of American Christian dominionists and their feckless President Bush.”What really frightens me lately is that a sizeable group of Christians in this country is not REMAINING backward, but is willfully choosing to TURN backward. Even worse, taking pride in fostering ignorance!The inability to reconcile faith with scientific advancement, and the push to combine church and state astound me.I am a Christian, but I was reading some Intelligent Design lessons so I would better understand what that means, and I was really taken aback.It is a huge step backward and unfortunate for any child robbed, not only of a legitimate lesson in science, but any lessons in critical thinking as well.I, for one, cannot fall for the trickery of keeping my eye on “backward” Islam abroad while I am sucker-punched with an equally backward brand of Christianity at home.

  • Danny B.

    Anonymous,It is the initial of my last name.

  • Anonymous

    I’m Going fishing & G-d Hunting. So good selling. Ya.

  • Bruce W. Haupt, J.D., L.R.

    JOZEVZCan you possibly translate your previous “I’ll say this only once” into PLAIN ENGLISH, maybe ?

  • Anonymous

    Frank,THE ISLAMIC what? That’s an adjective.”or whatever comment you used”Since you cannot find the shift key, I’ll assume you do not know that one can scroll up to read previous posts to aid in referring to them. One can.I apologize for confusing you with Dr. Frank Collins, PhD., if that is what I did there. Sorry about that.

  • Anonymous

    “Defamation Of Character” ?

  • Viejita del oeste

    Danny B

  • Paganplace

    Yep. Not surprised at the abusive spammers once again ruining a potentially-thoughtful and educational discussion. Personally, I appreciate the chance to find out more about how these fatwas get handed down and all, and, apparently where they go wrong. As for you, Frank, after that latest outburst. You’re so indignant that people don’t seem to *like* you, and, filth like that comes out of your mouth. Those would probably be considered ‘fighting words’ in any state or nation that still recognizes the concept, and here you are saying someone *else* is violent. You shame the name of your own Jesus guy, who I don’t think I have to be Christian to tell you he would rebuke your behavior in the strongest possible terms. Certainly, I’ll ask you kindly to refrain from calling yourself American. But, for Christians… this is what you get when you take certain agendas for piety.

  • Danny B.

    Viejita del oeste,I could not agree more! !La fe mueve montanas, de verdad?

  • Viejita del oeste

    Claro que si….

  • Iftakhar Malik

    Finally,almost paid like a Phd is showing his true colors by displaying his expertise in laguage of Vulgarity not only Hatemongering just like that so-called intellect who left live Television show to join Sirius radio.

  • Danny B.

    So…Is it Dr. Frank Collins, PhD.ORDr. Frnak Collins, PhD.?The correct choice should drop down when you type the initial “f” in the name field of the post form. I don’t even get paid like a PhD. and have THAT figured out.It’s easy as cut-n-paste!

  • Danny B.

    Dr. Frnak Collins, PhD. says, “why danny boy use what ever you want”.Thank you, Doctor, for your blessing.I will use the shift key, proper grammar (to the best of my non-PhD. ability), common decency, and the proper spelling of MY OWN NAME.It is so nice to have your permission to use whatever I want.I’m ever grateful, Doctor.

  • jam

    I watched the video, recommended above by anon. In it you say Allah permits wife-beating. Hearing that turned my blood cold. For years I’ve heard that Arabic speakers will say reasonable things in English, while at the same time saying hateful things in Arabic. That video seemed to lift the mask off of your reasoned words above, about not abusing fatwas.The scripture that I follow says pure religion is taking care of the powerless. Islam seems to advocate beating, and taking advantage of, the powerless. The mind-set you give Allah in that video is why people fear the standard Islamic interpretation of God. When fatwas, one’s which advocate violence and hate are issued, based on a view that Allah is happily vicious despite being called merciful, I never hear any uproar about them. I hear cries calling for blood and death, and pleas to help with the murdering of others. Fatwas and Sharia law seem about abusing the powerless, and massaging the ego of the powerful. I hope to hear something different, but rarely do.

  • D. Dave

    Frank,It is kind of hard to take you seriously when you cannot even punctuate correctly. You are a guy who spends A LOT of time trolling on these boards….that does not make you a Dr.That being said, yes, Islam does have some ‘splaining to do.I am so glad that I gave up on organized religion years ago. PS: Frank, Jesus himself would probably tone it down a bit and use correct grammar. Give it a shot, big guy.

  • D. Dave

    Frank:I merely (and quite correctly) pointed out that it is difficult to take your arguments seriously when you are unwilling or unable to write properly. You diminish yourself and your rather shrill and exasperatingly detailed attempts to communicate you various points of view on IslamOtherwise I generally agree that Islam is a religion that promotes violence. However so does Christianity and Judism if you choose to view the Bible in certain ways. In fact people throughout the world, all throught the past 2,000 years have made the Bible say basically what they want to. If one cherry picks verses correctly and chooses willful ignorance of other parts of the Bible then yes, the Bible can support all kinds of ideals both peaceful and malicious.That is why I have very little use for hardcore theology and religious blinders to help me get through the day. The world would be a much more peaceful place if we did not seperate ourselves into groups of God’s “chosen” people with mindless rules and (largely) baseless theology and concentrated on working together positively.I am pretty sure that is what God wanted from us if anything at all.Frank, yes you make your views known, but you come off as such a sad, hate-filled crank that few if any of us who read and/or participate in this forum will take you seriously.You are your own worst enemy and your hatred will eat you alive.Cheerio.

  • Iftakhar Malik

    The verses of surah 4:89-91 refers to hypocites who used to acknowledge the truthfulness of Quran in decietful manner.

  • Gaby

    IT (God) is the spirit who created all things animate and inanimate. IT is part of us and always will be, here and in eternity. Man-made religions (all of them) ingnore this basic fact. All that is required of us are good deeds to maintain the Earth and Universe to the best of our ability. Religions demand that we listen to prophets who are nothing but human. Humans can not possibly understand what IT is, therefore, religions make no sense.Humans are only required to do two things while alive. 1) Harm none! 2) Be good to yourselves, your fellow humans, and all living and non-living things.When we die, we don’t really die, we shed our earthly form and rejoin with IT. Simple truth!

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of Islam’s tyrannical control over its people: If every Palestinian desires their child be a suicide bomber, why is a FATWA needed to keep them in line?”Fatwa forbids Palestinians from emigrating””We hereby declare that emigration from the blessed lands is not permitted according to religious law,” the fatwa said. “The people living in these areas must remain in their homes and must not leave them to conquerors.A religious decree released by the Palestinian Authority’s mufti forbids all Palestinian citizens from emigrating from the powder-keg region.”

  • Jihadist

    JanAnd what can you really do for Afghan women, Palestinian women and Iraqi women after that awareness raising on their state as you propounded here?Surely you are not saying to the wider Muslim world that the life of a murdered promiment journalist is more important than the countless hundred thousands of burqa and hijab clad women not as well known as the said journalists who got killed as victims of the so-called “liberators” by so-called “friendly fires”, as well as from the cross-fires of internal strifes and conflicts.Muslims in the wider Muslim world will ignore the concerns expressed here on murdered and or/killed journalists as hypocricy. Remember the “accidental” deaths of “accidental” bombings of Al Jazeera station in Baghdad? Nary a voice raised re “brave” journalists telling the truth there and getting killed.US journalists also endured “hardships” in their coverage. Even Helen Thomas, UPI correspondent in the White House, was once “banished” to the “back” by the Bush Jr White House. By the way, better to send your concerns and condolences directly to the Aghan government. They are responsible for not managing the mess in Aghanistan leading to the murder of the journalist among others. You don’t hear too much about countless Afghan women getting killed by the tribal warlords’s armed conflicts and who are associated with the Karzai goverment do you? Or how the Karzai government is managing or not managing the internal situation in Afghanistan? It’s a social, political and security mess. Her death is reminder of it. Best regards

  • Concerned The Christian Now Liberated

    Jihadist aka Julia,There you go again. It always somebody else. Never the peaceful Muslims. Maybe Muslims should show us goodness by being good.And what about the Malaysian atheist/politician? Name, obituary, jail cell address??

  • Warren

    Frank,Despite the accuracy of your views on Islam, you are not a Christian.”Waste of skin…” indeed, how Christ-like!

  • Gaby

    Jihadist, my Friend!Why even respond to the nincompoops of the world!Frank, Concerned, etc. are northing but a hate gang, a.k.a. Neo-Nazis.I hope you are doing well. Saw on one of the other blogs that you have caught some kind of bug. Flu?There are many of us who sincerely like you, just ignore the idiots who will not take you seriously.In Friendship,Blessed BE!

  • God

    Frank,I love everyone equally. Remember?P.S.: I love you but you have grown up to be kind of an A-hole.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe someone needs to teach Jihadist/Julia the words to the old Helen Reddy’s song “I am woman”?

  • Gaby

    “Anonymous: Anon, I am sure she knows the song. She is a very educated woman AND she is strong!

  • mary

    Jan, The woman on the youtube link you posted said Islamic laws allow a man to sexually gratify himself with a 2 year old child. She was angry. Is this true?

  • Gaby

    Mary,Please, do not believe everything you see or read on the internet!Especially do not ask those who post that CRAP whether it is true!It is just meant to create more division!

  • God

    Frank, yes I actually do love everyone equally, yeseven Satan. I even set him up with his own place. Dont worry, someday you will have plenty of time to get to know him better.

  • JOZEVS et al

    Interesting! Note: there is “NO such thing(s) as Satan nor Angel Good or Bad. Therefore , ABRAHAMIC & VEDIC Superstupidstitious Religions is NO-MORE, That Is, without the “Espialidotious craparino I Say. Ya Ya .

  • halozcel

    Song of I am womanOh yes I am wiseBut,I am not sure if any slave or subjugated woman can perceive or not.Women are deficient at wise,woman is your tilth,two women equals one man,man can scourge woman.This is the difference between Civilization and Cult.This is the difference between Citibank and Sukutbank.They sit on Petronas Tower,but they can not see the world

  • Anonymous

    To concerned s0-called Christian.I don’t see you critiqueing the TALMUD.But, of course you know nothing about it do you.IF you did, you would quickly understand its evils and its nefarious schemes.You try to appear educated, but you are no more then a baby in the dark.

  • Concerned The Christian Now Liberated

    Anon,Considering the low number of practicing global Jews, the Talmud is a non-entity on the religious front.

  • Thomas Baum

    God is a lot nicer than most people think that He is and one of these days we will all find out. By the way God is not a He or a She but I have to use some kind of pronoun. God Incarnate happened to be a He though. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

  • Concerned The Christian Now Liberated

    If my religion depended on messages from mythical angels, I would have signficant doubts about said religion. It turns out the angels of Mormonism (“angel” Moroni), Islam (“angel” Gabriel) and Christianity (“angels Gabriel and “no-name” dream talkers) serve as the “foundation”/conduits to God of said religions making faith in these faiths very troubling.

  • victoria

    a salaamu alaikum and thank you dr juma for bringing a sense of immediacy and the need for contemporaneous interpretation to this forum. peace all

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  • Anonymous

    Moshin,You pleaded guilty to money laundering on the advice of your lawyer. But you were not guilty? Sorry, that does not “wash”. And whose money did you launder? Pakistani Muslim? Hmmmm???

  • victoria

    a salaamu alaikum brother awan- please ignore the ugly resonse of the cowardly anonymous. i am impressed that in spite of all your continued and current suffering you still manage to bless us here. intimidating you through threats to your family is despicable- the practice of plea bargaining in america has long been recognized as unjust. you have provided a sad example of how fear has motivated many americans to sit back and allow our citizens and neighbors to be abused and imprisoned. i am deeply sorry for you and your family’s persecution. as america is supposed to be the vanguard of equality- it is apparent in the last 6 years that some hatreds and prejudices are not only sanctioned by the government- they are encouraged as being “patriotic”. i can only offer my sympathy, which isnt much- but its all im capable of giving. peace

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  • Alex

    My wife and I were in Egypt on vacation around the time the so-called Mubarak referendum was going on with near complete boycott by the Muslim population! The Coptic Christians seem to have voted in large numbers since the referendum was to proscribe religious parties. On the face of it, it sounded good. Though the Coptic Christians liked it, almost every Copt that I talked to wanted to get out of Egypt and many talked of how many Christians in the north were being forcibly being converted into Islam and how when they flee south to Alexandria and try to get back into their birth-faith, the Muslim mullahs and the courts deny the right of a Muslim to change one’s faith. So, all this rhetoric from Gomaa is not credible. Until and unless, Islamic countries guarantee freedom of religion, starting with Saudi Arabia. No theocracy (of any kind, Islam, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian etc) ought to be given full membership in the UN. Religious proselytization of all kinds, Islamic, Christianity, Buddhist, Hindu etc must be considered a violation of the fundamental rights of a human being who must have the freedom to freely choose one’s religion without being enticed or preached to by any organized group. Religion must be treated as a deeply personal affair and the state has no business in getting involved in it. Malaysia, Indonesia, the Gulf countries and many African countries which have majority Muslim populations are now imitating the behavior of the Catholic Church during its crusades and the western colonial powers which spread its brand of protestant and other forms of christianity in their colonies. All of them showed the way to the present-day Jehadis to use religion as an instrument of coercion to expand their hegemony and political power over those who are unwilling to become Muslims.

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