McCain’s Incendiary Supporter

The squabble surrounding San Antonio televangelist John Hagee’s endorsement of Republican presidential hopeful John McCain reminds me of why there … Continued

The squabble surrounding San Antonio televangelist John Hagee’s endorsement of Republican presidential hopeful John McCain reminds me of why there should be less religion in politics — incendiary faith is the opposite of consensus building.

McCain has said that he is proud to be associated with Hagee. This must be in part because McCain’s strategists think he needs to burnish his evangelical credentials and Hagee’s vote, along with his 19,000-member strong congregation, is just the solution.

Thing is, this country is big. Real big. And you need to bring together a lot of people to vote for you if you want to be president. That may be a little harder for McCain to accomplish thanks to his association with Hagee, who in recent years has offended many, including but not limited to Catholics, homosexuals, Muslims and Harry Potter-author J.K. Rowling. He has suggested that Hurricane Katrina was God’s wrath for the city’s “gay parade” and he has called the Roman Catholic Church a “false cult system.”

One of the reasons I love this country so much is that this gentleman gets to say whatever he believes. So you know, as we can see here on this video, he’s free to get excited in front of an incredibly elaborate GIGANTIC wall chart with his pointer and talk about why he loves the Book of Revelation and end times blood shed and gets to call the Catholic Church “the great whore” and “the apostate Church.” That’s his right.

(Hagee put out a statement yesterday, saying in part that “I have always had great love for Catholic people and great respect for the Catholic Church. My wife comes from a Catholic family and millions of my viewers are Catholics. I am shocked and saddened to learn of the mischaracterization of my views on Catholics.” He did not say however what that mischaracterization was or repudiate his statements on the video.)

Where things get uncomfortable is when Hagee is grinning on stage next to McCain, who could lead this diverse country and directly affect the lives of said Catholics, gays and Muslims. Obama faced this same question of a divisive friendship last week when he said he would reject the endorsement of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

McCain for his part has said he won’t reject Hagee’s endorsement but that “in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee’s views, which I obviously do not.”

Now, it is one thing for McCain to alienate the Catholic leaders who have called for him to change his tune on Hagee and risk losing the support of American Catholics who make up as much as a quarter of voters. But if that doesn’t scare him, Hagee’s views on the Harry Potter books should: Hagee has called them “witchcraft” and suggested that they “desensitize readers and introduce them to the occult.” According to my own casual statistical research about 99.9 percent of Americans are fans of the Harry Potter. If I were McCain, I’d start building consensus there.

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  • Truth

    I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

  • john

    some of you make reference to a belief of your own (particularly David) and how it might be in some way infringed upon. Maybe if you had some beliefs (based on intellect and reason) of your own and not your father’s and his father’s and so on and so on, these “culture clashes” and crusades we are having around the world might begin to cease. Think about this for one second. The one thing (trait) that sets humans apart from the rest of the animal kingdom is our ability to reason, supposedlly with one another. Religion has no room for reason, only faith. Look up the definition of faith. If any of you used the same reasoning, or lack of, at work you would all be fired and lined up at the local jihad unemployment line.Come on people. We are running out of time.

  • NP

    Have you ever seen Hagee? While he is certainly empty-headed, he is far from an empty suit. The man must weigh 400 lbs.He is one of the angriest most incendiary talabangelists on the tube today. I try not to imagine McCain doing this for any other reason than political pandering, because if he believes any of this crap himself then he is as insane as Hagee and all his followers. Would you want Hagee near “the button”, would you want some apocalyptic wannbe fanatic like that anywhere near a place where he could destroy the world?Oh, McCain, I really did want to vote for you. Now I can’t. You’ve made a deal with the devil.

  • frank burns

    At 2 oclock in the morning, when that red phone rings, we all want McCain to answer it. “Bomb bomb, bomb, bomb-bomb Iran” — McCain has the solutions, and the right attitude!

  • Thinker

    But what if the Christians/Evangelical is right?

  • Anthony Margan

    Hagee is a hate-mongoring, religious fascist. Hagee’s views are well-documented, by his very own hand.By McCain now seeking and coveting Hagee’s endorsement, McCain is, in effect, endorsing hate and fascism. SHAME ON MCCAIN! And, shame on us for supporting McCain.

  • Johannes

    john: Thus, we can reasonably believe in an Uncreated Being.It is through faith in divine revelation that I believe in the particulars of this Uncreated Being.

  • aaron

    You people are ridiculous Hagee isnt a hate monger.The people who are saying this crap should do a little self examination sounds like yall are the hate mongers.It amazes me to see how many people just cant wait to go to hell.But hey i guess if you dont believe in hell you have nothing to worry about right?Well surely you believe in karma keep spewing your anti Christian views your only hurting your self.and everyone wonders why we are in the state we are in when its more acceptable to be a homosexual than a Christian.This country is going to hell in a handbasket.

  • michael

    One of the negatives of the blogosphere is sloppy editing. See 3rd graf, 3rd line.

  • Teresa

    It is incredibly sad to me that we fail to appreciate the fact that we live in a country that gives us the right to embrace religion or reject it. Whether we are people of faith or people of reason, we should be most concerned with treating one another as we would like to be treated; with respect and dignity. Hate mongering and bigotry should be soundly rejected by all citizens of the United States.

  • KJ

    In response to Johannes:Referencing Aristotle may provide a rationalist framework for accepting an Uncreated Being, but this should not be confused with proof of the existence of the particular Being. Aristotle’s metaphysics, like Plato’s before him, was premised on an assumption that being is presence. This premise is possible only if other temporal modes of being – i.e., change or becoming – are excluded. But this is an arbitrary exclusion, change is just as much a part of life as is presence. Aristotle’s framework collapses in the face of Nietzsche’s and Heidegger’s destruction of Western metaphysics. Your recourse to Greek metaphysics to back up your beliefs points less to the rationality of these beliefs, or their correctness, than to your desire for fixity and determinism – an unwillingness to think life outside the comforting confines of absolute identity, absolute truth, and absolute certainty. I fear it is a desire shared by far too many in our contemporary American political culture of fear defined by Bush’s mantra that you are either with us or with the terrorists.

  • john

    Johannes,”unmoved mover.” you make it easy for me. Aristotle also said that knowledge is everything, religion systematically does not allow for knowledge. Religion is nothing more than mere memorization, and you are told what to memorize. And besides, just because we cannot explain something IT IS NOT REASONABLE TO BELIEVE in an UNCREATED BEING. You people sound like children. Just say you don’t freaking know.

  • john

    BTW. Not knowing something and wanting to know that something but yet cannot know that something is what led to religion in the first place. It allowed for the weak and fearful to find solace when something scared them or was left unexplained. Remember, ancient peoples used to throw virgins in volcanoes until they learned they just fed the fire and there was no boogey man fire dude in there. People laugh at the likes of Mitt Romney for believing that the garden of Eden is in Missourri, but most of you believe it is in Iraq, or at least that is where the bible tells you to remember (memorize) it. Both sound kind of silly to me.

  • aaro

    Sorry for the mistake in editing Michael.I think the point was clear though.

  • Anonymous

    KJ writes:It was your sentiments that Cardinal Ratzinger was addressing when he said this in his homily at the 4/18/2005 Mass that openned the conclave that elected him Pope:”Having a clear faith, based on the Creed of the Church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism. Whereas, relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and “swept along by every wind of teaching” ((Eph 4:14), looks like the only attitude (acceptable) to today’s standards. We are moving towards a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires.”

  • baarack

    Hildo Clinton is a joke.A bad one at that.


    1st there was nothing and then it exploded-HA HA HA HA HA.I am praying for you all.

  • Johannes

    (That was my ‘Anonymous’ above.)It may be that many find relativism quite comforting, since a true follower of relativism need never worry that an action of his is wrong — since what is “wrong” anyways? That’s just a cultural and personal construct. I might have a completely different idea of wrong that is just as valid. Who is to judge?I do imagine that a complete nihlist of this sort would face an emptiness and lonliness at some point that would indeed not be so comforting. Indeed, that is a severe suffering (it is said that the worse suffering for Jesus on the cross was the feeling of being abandoned by His Father).It is interesting that famous atheists, such as Nietzsche, seem to have had awful problems with their fathers and were mentally disturbed. Please, don’t jump all over me for that. I know that all generalizations are false (whoops, there I go again).

  • twocanpete

    John Hagee says one thing and does another. He divorced his first wife for a younger women in his congration. By Hagee’s own standards he is an adulterer. Mr. Hagee should know that sin as sin, so while he’s preaching damnation he needs to look at himself. Check out my blog post of Hagee and Juan McCain; Just a Couple of Guys Who Like to Have Sex With Women They Aren’t Married To.

  • jim filyaw

    i’ve been watching the texas tub of lard for years (albeit for laughs), and i can assure any late comers that hagee hates catholics in general and the catholic church in particular. as for his comment that his statements have been “mischaracterized”, he has resorted to the right wing fundie’s stock in trade: lie like a dog.what’s almost as hilarious as his new found love for the catholic church is his decades old love for jews, at least the ones who treat the palestinians like joshua did the amalekites and who he presumes will join him on bended knee to his messiah. the others, he will gleefully assign to the hottest corner of hell.

  • Dave

    In your list of people that Hagee has offended, you omitted that he has alienated many evangelicals by asserting the doctrine that Jews can be admitted to Heaven without accepting Jesus as their savior. See e.g.

  • Winghunter

    JK Rowling was interviewed on an American cable news network immediately after her first movie inwhich they were discussing her anxiety about the director of the movie before it was made. She stated her justification was “After all, he IS an American”.Much more recently she mindnumbingly offered that an asexual character in her children stories was “homosexual”.Therefore, JK Rowling announces herself to the world as a snobbish and pompous divorcee who is abusing her newfound notoriety to force her feeble opinion of deviant sexual behavior on all of us.

  • Brittany

    Ok…so i know that everyone is entitled to their opinion(kind of the reason this blog is on here) but seriously…i’m 15 and i know that you people should grow up!!! when it comes to bashing these presidential canidates…it is not necessary. why can’t people make their points without “talking trash” about somebody. omg!sorry for getting on my soap box!

  • Winghunter

    Hey Jen,Ron Paul is a clown without a clue;We just learned that Iran has been building an intercontinental ballistic missile program with the help of the Russians and Chinese. If we would be stupid enough to listen to Paul in his isolationist views the first indication we had waited too long in dealing with terrorists and dictators is a nuclear missile on our laps.Grow up and learn something soon.

  • Neal:

    In that the National Conference of Catholic Bishops once again rigged their anti-abortion voters’ guideline so that Catholics were pretty much compelled to vote for either John McCain or Mike Huckabee (riiiight), and in view of John Hagee’s endorsement of John McCain, it doesn’t seem improbable that many Catholics may find enough reasons not to vote at all. In addition, for every evangelical vote Hagee delivers to McCain, there is the potential to lose at least as many Jewish votes among those Jews who don’t appreciate being threatened with hell fire if they refuse to convert, as Hagee’s brand of theology alleges.Adding in the non-religious, independent, potential pro-McCain voters who are left scratching their heads over this egregious pandering, I don’t see how this endorsement can be anything but a net loss for the Senator. John Hagee is a demonstrated liar and pulpit-slapping odoriferous pile of sanctimony. Senator McCain would have done much better to have left him out on the lawn rather than carry him into the process on the bottom of his shoe.

  • KJ

    Johannes wrote:What an amazing mischaracterization of post-modern thought! Equating epistemic relativism with moral relativism is the most common error when thinking beyond metaphysics. Recognizing that identity is not fixed and that truth is never certain nor absolute does not lead a ‘true believer’ (as if post-modern theory is just thought, and not practice!) to eschew any morals and engage in hedonistic nihilism. Good, bad, right, wrong – these do not evaporate with the destruction of ontology! Instead, we have a new ethics defined by the context of action – a mobile ethics that responds to the situation in which each subject is located. ‘Discomfort’ arises ONLY when this condition is read as a lack of certainty, as you do here. If we detach this from a negative relation with metaphysics, our rethinking of being creates new conditions for community and belonging based not on exclusionary practices of identity and difference, but rather on an openness towards all other people – a recognition of a common humanity defined in absence of all transcendental determinants of being (god, nation, race, gender…). It is a liberating and empowering practice, not an empty and lonely one.

  • Unsound

    1) (Premise) There exists movement in the world.This is a fine example of an apparently sound argument which inherently cannot be proven to be true or false. Just because the argument is sound, does not make the conclusion sound.6 takes an inference as a premise, this is invalid.Basically this resolves to: we can’t figure it out, therefore God.

  • nelson

    excuse me, but obama does not have a “devisive friendhsip” with farrahkhan. he’s never met the man. farrakhan endorsed obama without being asked or consulted. obama did not seek him out, much less stand on a stage with him.he rejected an unasked for endorsement.please try to get your facts straight before writing your blog. one could say this is a light attempt at a smear, even though i’m sure you’re just mistaken. thank you.

  • John Haas

    Why do you columnists keep claiming McCain’s Hagee problem is the same as Obama’s Farrakhan problem?

  • SJ

    I think the real point here is that McCain is getting a pass on his relationship with Hagee. McCain should, as the standard now goes, “reject” and “denounce” Hagee but he isn’t. That’s some pimp sh*t that Clinton pulled on Obama, even though she has undesirables who also support her that hasn’t “rejected” or “denounced.”It makes McCain and Clinton both look two-faced, suggesting a racist double-standard that only a black man has to meet. Then again, knowing McCain, he’ll spin it as if he’s a protector of free speech and against the PC. Politics. Gotta love the bigots.

  • SJ

    I think the real point here is that McCain is getting a pass on his relationship with Hagee. McCain should, as the standard now goes, “reject” and “denounce” Hagee but he isn’t. That’s some pimp sh*t that Clinton pulled on Obama, even though she has undesirables who also support her that hasn’t “rejected” or “denounced.”It makes McCain and Clinton both look two-faced, suggesting a racist double-standard that only a black man has to meet. Then again, knowing McCain, he’ll spin it as if he’s a protector of free speech and against the PC. Politics. Gotta love the bigots.

  • gary

    is john hagees congregation all white?

  • gary

    you might distance obama from louis but you can’t distance him from his pastor of twenty years.

  • Rod

    You forgot to mention (and this goes unmentioned in all the mainstream media) that Hagee is ALSO ANTI-SEMITIC!

  • Janice

    Who ever said John Hagee is anti-semitic does NOT have a clue what they are talking about—he is the one trying to get the Christians and other religions to do more in defense of the Jews—–why don’t you read his book—–IN DEFENSE OF ISRAEL—-you may have to order it and by the by—-if you read your Bible you will know that John Hagees opinion about homosexuals is dead on—–it is an abomination abd a perversion unto God———Nuff’ said

  • John3

    Janice said “he is the one trying to get the Christians and other religions to do more in defense of the Jews”He loves the Jews only to further the end times. He needs the Jewish people to occupy the Holy Land for the rest of the delusions to occur.

  • Johannes

    I’m an orthodox Catholic. I’m not very troubled by Hagee. Most non-catholics who have examined and rejected the audacious claims of the Church (e.g., that her priests have the power to turn bread and wine into Jesus Christ) believe Catholics to be either hoaxers or extremely deluded. There’s not much in between there. He is wrong about Pius XII not defending the Jews, but he’s been fed that communist-begun lie by the media for decades; likewise, he’s wrong about Hitler being a catholic (he was a neo-pagan, and a vegetarian to boot). In that video, he doesn’t even mention the Church by name and it sounds like he’s changing his tune to be more polite.


    It’s not that hagee has any compassion for Jews in particular. It is that he has a perverted belief that he can assist in bringing about some foretold apocalypse and restore ISRAEL, not the Jews, to its place as the chosen land for the return of Christ. Which, if you listen to the blather that spews from hagee, is to either convert the Jews to Christianity or have them thrown into the everlasting fire. I don’t see that as an act of compassion. As for the rest of the crap he espouses, it is only confirmation of his identity as a hateful bigot. It’s not the Christianity that is the problem, but the christians.

  • David

    Why ‘Jews for Jesus’ is evil Jews for Jesus. Who says that evil can’t be imported, and delivered, free of charge, direct to your car door? Don’t get me wrong. The members of Jews for Jesus are pure souls. They are among the most wholesome, guileless, truly well-meaning, fundamentally lovely people you will ever meet. I would like to begin by saying that I have nothing personal against these people. But that would be a lie. The reason is that, grinning all the way, they want to take something personal from me. My history, my belief system, my ancestry. The flyers say they are concerned for my soul, and I believe them with all my heart. It’s precisely my soul they’re after, all right, mine and as many others as possible. They’re out to harvest Jewish souls in the name of Christ. And they’re out to do it right here. Make no mistake, I believe that these Christians must have every freedom to worship Jesus as their lord and messiah, perform every ritual, celebrate every holiday that they see fit. If they want to do Born-again Kiddush and Last Supper Kneidelach and Savior Shalosh S’eudes – gezunterheit. And if missionary activity is a commandment in their view, I wish them every success – just one thing: Leave the Jews alone. The world is a target-rich environment for the missionary, the Protestant Christian world in particular. There’s no end of lapsed Methodists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists, Anabaptists, whom you’re free to try to cajole into Christ. You don’t need us. Jesus doesn’t need us. Leave us alone. It’s a safe bet that the Jews for Jesus who may be reading this are rolling their eyes by now, classifying me as Unbeliever Type G-639-L and writing me off. But bear with me for one brief moment, if only to read the next sentence, which has specifically to do with you, as well as with your Jewish prey, thousands of years of Jewish history, and evil: Proselytizing is persecution. Granted, it’s not the same as burning us at the stake for Christ’s sake, firebombing our homes for Christ’s sake, staging apres-church pogroms for Christ’s sake, ostracizing and terrorizing and beating our children for having killed Christ, lynching Jewish adults for church-distributed blood libels, torturing Jews to force them to convert, converting entire Jewish communities on point of death, deporting entire Jewish communities on point of death for having resisted conversion, or, after eliminating the conversion option, annihilating entire Jewish communities with the complicitous blind eye of the Holy See. But there’s more than one way to wipe out a people, and poison, like gas, comes in many forms. Sometimes it looks like a leaflet. Sometimes it looks like the Internet. Sometimes it looks like a smile. It should have occurred to you by now that Jews in the post-Holocaust era have a mission, no less than you. We have some saving to do of our own. In ways which are as individual as each Jew in the world, it has been left to us to save Jewry itself – its faith, its culture, its values, its memory, its history – from extinction. Look around. There aren’t that many of us left. There are 2 billion Christians in the world, and nearly a billion and a quarter Muslims. There are barely 14 million Jews left alive on this planet. In 1933, that number was 15.3 million. Leave us alone. The true evil of Jews for Jesus, is the movement’s readiness to take advantages of the weaknesses of Judaism in our day, in order to further weaken it. Judaism’s agonizing inability to reach its estranged youth is the stuff of Jew for Jesus dreams, the fantasy that, in the end, they will succeed in converting us. Sorry, I’m not supposed to use that word. Under the Jews for Jesus creed – which appears aimed at confusing its own adherents at least as much as it seeks to “turn” us non-believers – Jews for Jesus members do not convert you, they just get you to believe that Jesus Christ is the lord, and that only through Jesus can one be saved. The faithful may well be much too busy with salvation to concern themselves with extinction. There’s clearly plenty for them to do, judging by some of their Websites, where I happened upon this useful piece of instruction from the founder of Jews for Jesus, Martin (Moishe) Rosen: “Hey, if you don’t know any Jewish people, you can look in the phone book for surnames that are always Jewish: Cohen, Katz, Levy, Rosen (and anything that begins with Rosen, like Rosenberg, Rosenbloom or Rosenfeld).” And now, here in Israel, in a venture as predictable as it is indecent, they’ve set themselves a new target, Russian Jewish immigrants, descendants of the Jews Hitler didn’t get the chance to kill. May they fail. There are those who will say, and I applaud them, that we should engage and embrace members of Jews for Jesus, showing openness to them rather than the cold shoulder that drives them further away. I applaud those who say this and act accordingly, but I don’t have it in me. It really comes down to this: It’s hard enough to be Jewish as it is. It’s tough to be Jewish if you’re secular, and it’s no less difficult if you’re religious. It’s tough to be Jewish in the Diaspora if you live among non-Jews. It’s tough to live there if you live among lots of Jews. And it’s tough as nails to be Jewish in Israel, atheist, knitted kippa, Haredi, or fusion JUBU. If you’re a Jew for Jesus and you’re still reading this, you may well be thinking: This guy sounds riled. He needs a friend in Jesus. You’re thinking wrong. This guy needs you to keep your salvation to yourself. Believe whatever you want. Practice whatever you preach. Just stay the hell away from us.

  • cndide

    You don’t have to take all of Hagee or reject it all. He is wrong about supporting Israel; he supports it only as part of his attempt to threaten the Jews with destruction if they do not accept Jesus. As for Catholics, he has a lot of nerve attacking the Church as a cult, the evangelical movement is also a cult. A cult is a religion you don’t like. As for Hitler and the Catholic church conspiring vs. the Jews, Hagee is right. Without Catholic anti-Jewish teachings for 2000 years there would have been no Holocaust.The record of Christians is very mixed, sometimes they are vicious and sometimes nice. All in all, the world would have been better off without the Christian faith which is based on false history, quackery and delusion.

  • cc

    I’m wondering why Catholics and Hagee are giving McCain a pass on his ambiguity on abortion. This is a watered down version of the Robertson/Giuliani hypocrisy lovefest. The only difference is Hagee waited a little longer than Robertson to endorse the candidate he knows will win the nomination. What courage!! And Hagee may think he has ‘truth’ but he is not ‘true’. He’s another evangelical empty suit whose vast untamableego exposes their true character. Hagee, Robertson, and the like just need to go away and stop misrepresenting Christianity. As for McCain, like any politician he wants his cake and eat it too. He wants the endorsement benefits but none of the baggage that comes with it. And oh yeah, he still wants all those Catholic votes too….most of whom are so staunchly anti-abortion they’ll forbid you the communion waffer (ie..John Kerry) if you don’t subscribe to their ideals. Let the sorry games begin.

  • Anonymous

    Hitler and the Catholic Church conspired against the Jews?This has been completely debunked. It was spread by communist propaganda in Eastern Europe, when the Soviets wanted to turn the people against the Church by attempting to link the Church to their former occupiers. The people knew this was a lie because they had seen so many priests killed by the communists.I would beseech you to check out the following material:”Salvation is from the Jews” by Roy H Schoeman, Chapter 6 “Ideological Foundations of Nazism””Pius XII and the Second World War: According to the Archives of the Vatican” by Pierre Blet

  • RaferJanders

    Yup it’s Hagge’s right to hope for the end of the world, but with that said, I don’t want a President that thinks bombing Iran will bring the second coming.

  • Anonymous

    CNIDE:In Pomerania, Poland, all but 20 of the 650 priests were shot or sent to concentration camps.Between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members of the Polish clergy were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps.In the city of Wrocław (Breslau), 49% of its Catholic priests were killed; in Chełmno, 48%. One hundred eight of them are regarded as blessed martyrs, with Maximilian Kolbe also canonized as a saint.Source: Also See:

  • Johannes

    CNIDE:In Pomerania, Poland, all but 20 of the 650 priests were shot or sent to concentration camps.Between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members of the Polish clergy were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps.In the city of Wrocław (Breslau), 49% of its Catholic priests were killed; in Chełmno, 48%. One hundred eight of them are regarded as blessed martyrs, with Maximilian Kolbe also canonized as a saint.Source: Also See:

  • Johannes

    CC:”I’m wondering why Catholics and Hagee are giving McCain a pass on his ambiguity on abortion.” Catholics do not like that he voted for federal funding of the killing of embryos, and I know a number who voted Huckabee in the VA primary. But we also know that both Obama and Clinton are far, far worse. They both voted against the ban on partial birth abortion (i.e. infantcide). McCain voted for it.

  • Steve

    Just because someone who has wierd views endorses someone, doesn’t mean that htey share the same views

  • thirdworldler

    Pastor Haggee is just another religious freak, catering to a largely mystical populace for personal gain. 95% of Americans are delusional mystics. What are you going to do? There is no reasoning with irrational people. Only skillful exploitation and manipulation. Don’t worry, politicians are very good at it…., including Mc.Cain and Obama.You all just keep doing your little vodoo stuff, your hear…., so long as you don’t break the law and hurt anybody.God bless you, bubba

  • thirdworldler

    Pastor Haggee is just another religious freak, catering to a largely mystical populace for personal gain. 95% of Americans are delusional mystics. What are you going to do? There is no reasoning with irrational people. Only skillful exploitation and manipulation. Don’t worry, politicians are very good at it…., including Mc.Cain and Obama.You all just keep doing your little vodoo stuff, your hear…., so long as you don’t break the law and hurt anybody.God bless you, bubba

  • John Miner

    I think there should be another gay pride parade in front of Rev Hagee’s church in San Antonio. Maybe the Lord will strike again. Maybe there will be another sorta “Parting of the Red Sea” to protect the good Reverend’s church. Maybe not.

  • Tom B

    So, if a politician (of either party) accepted the endorsement of the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan — but explained that accepting that endorsement didn’t mean the candidate accepted the KKK’s stands on race relations — it would be ok? This rationale sounds very fishy to me.

  • An answer to Thinker

    Thinker: If the Christians/Evangelical is right, then about 6000 years ago, God created the first man and woman (thus contradicting the universal scientific consensus on how long people have been on earth). These two had no basis for telling good from evil, right from wrong. Therefore, they had no way to know that God was the good guy and the devil was the bad guy.God created for them a garden complete with everything they needed, thereby removing any challenge and impetus for personal growth from them. And though God was all knowing and all loving, He placed an apple tree in the Garden, such that one bite from the apple would cause not only the two to be cast from the Garden, but would cause all future people to be born in original sin and destined to hell unless some four thousand years later, God killed His son.Then God warned the two not to eat the apple, the same two who had no ability to understand that God was good and was telling them something good to believe.Then God removed himself and watched (since God is omnipresent and all knowing) while a serpent, whom the two had no means of knowing was evil, told Eve to eat the apple because God placed it there for them as He did all other things in the garden. And Eve, with no way of knowing that she was doing something wrong, ate the apple, while a loving God did nothing to stop her, knowing full well that once she ate the apple all future people, none of whom ate the apple themselves, would suffer the punishment of being born into original sin and would result in billions of people spending eternity in hell for simply adhering to the non-Christian religions that their cultures taught them. And unlike we who are evil and would stop our children from touching a hot stove, God who is good and infinitely loving, stood by and watching Adam and Eve commit an act, that they had no way of knowing was wrong, that resulted in a punishment to all humans and the damnation of billions.then four thousand years later, God decided to give people a way out of damnation but not out of the punishment of original sin. He mandated that His own son be killed in attonement of the original sin that He allowed all people to have. His only condition for salvation was not that people make a good faith effort to cleanse themselves of sin, no God decreed that to be impossible, but that people believe that His son died for them and was accepting punishment for their sins. so while we who are evil hold people accountable for their own wrongdoings, God who is wise and loving allows the wrongdoings to continue, holds no one accountable for them and allows His son to receive the punishment for those wrongdoings. While we who are evil expect those who commit wrongdoings to accept responsibility for those wrongdoings and make amends, God who is good and loving says the only responsibilty one has for doing wrong is to accept that God’s son is paying the price for them.Those who believe that people must accept responsibility for their own lives and find it hard to believe that one is born into original sin though created by a loving God is damned to eternal torture. Even once in hell, the damned cannot repent and realize they are wrong. Because even though we who are evil realize that sometimes people are wrong and hold wrong beliefs that harm no one and therefore should not be punished for those beliefs, God who is loving and good knows that one kind of wrong belief, even from a true believer from another religion, should be punishable by eternal torture even if the person realizes his error once the torture starts. And even though billions of people have made this mistake and billions more will continue to do so, God who is That is the answer to the question of what if Christianity is true.

  • prognosticator

    McCain’s going to get a thumping alright, and not of the biblical kind. His hypocrisy and hubris in the service of his candidacy for president knows no bounds. He’d make a pact with the devil to get elected – and he’s getting pretty close with Hagee. Down with the fundamentalists, money grubbers, and war mongers and up with the principles of equality for all and liberal secular humanism as our guiding light.

  • SD for ATM ( Awareness Through Media)

    First, Minister Farrakhan did not endorse Senator Obama. The media has long played fast and loose with the words and the language in its coverage of Farrakhan. Listen to the tape from his recent Savior’s Day speech; it will indicate clearly that the Minister did not endorse the Senator as Senator Clinton claimed (or is that a “misrepresentation”?).Sidebar: Further, in May 1995, President Clinton endorsed Farrakhan’s The Million Man March…did Hillary ask her president and husband to “reject” Farrakhan?2. In the mid to late eighties, The Washington Post first cited Farrakhan as an “anti-Semite” in a story about one of his speeches that included a phrase about a so-called “dirty religion” in reference to Israel’s role in the Middle East wars. The Jewish community rallied in outrage. However, after much insistence by the Minister and his supporters, that The Post reporter had taken his words or of context, in an usual move, the newspaper finally conceded that it had indeed taken Farrakhan’s words out of context. However, as is often the case, the correction never made “news” and Farrakhan’s critics never admitted to their mistake. A NEXUS search can retrieve the specific articles.3. The animosity, played out in the media between Farrakhan and the Jews in this country, has its roots and foundation in the age-long acrimonious battles between Muslims and Jews over land rights and religious expression; witness throughout history the wars and fighting in the Middle East (Israel, Lebanon, Palestine)…so the larger issues to debate here should surroundFinally, why is it that when Black ministers reject the vestiges of the institutionalized racism perpetuated in this nation by whites through slavery, Jim Crow segregation, disparate sentences for crack v. powered cocaine, disproportionate incarceration rates v. college graduation rates, racial profiling and racial health disparities, in favor of empowering and improving the quality of life for African Americans, they are labeled “anti-white?”

  • George Mitrovich

    Sir, The Jerry Hagees of this world are less frightening than the people who actually believe what they preach — and Hagee has a following in San Antonio.There is another mega-church pastor in San Antonio. His name is Max Lucado, but what he teaches, preaches and writes books about — his 50 books have sold 50 million copies worldwide — is hugely different than that of Hagee.Hagee’s view toward those who have a different world view than he, a different biblical view, is one of condemnation, rejection and hate. He’s a narrow, mean-spirited little man, and Senator McCain’s willingness to accept his endorsement, while shameful, is instructive in telling us how far he will go in search of votes.With Senator Obama or Senator Clinton as the Democratic nominee, the only constituency left to Senator McCain will be the all-white over 60 country club set and right wing Christian Fundamentalists. Now that’s a combination to flee from, but McCain won’t because he has no where to go.Sincerely,George Mitrovich

  • Jonathan Taylor

    This post requires a formal correction: as the first commenter mentioned, there is no “divisive friendship” at play between Obama and Farrakhan.

  • Jacob

    It is troubling to note that people will comment or condemn the views of Rev.John Hagee without knowing,let alone,believing in the source (THE BIBLE)of his beliefs.I urge you to seek a biblical understanding of the book of Revelation and other related bible verses as they ralate to what is called the FALSE RELIGION,THE BEAST,THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS…what is this thing?who does it relate to? Please also do take note what the bible says about homosexuality/lesbianism..and many more things in it and judge Hagee accordingly.I believe that his beliefs must not be altered for expediency…that is his freedom of expression.Do not gag him.As of ISRAEL,the prophecies in the bible are abundant and clear.Israel does have a special place in the calender of God.Ignore Israel,then you ignore the word of God,and the word of God is a package deal.You have to have the whole lump,not just a select part.

  • oestec

    What’s all this “consensus” talk??? Are you a Quaker or something???

  • Will

    It’s good to see irrationalists are still toking up on Revelations. What is this thing? who does it relate to? I’ve carefully worked out an interpretation, guided by the HS, and it clearly means Evangelical Mega-Churches!!! Tacky, shirt-tail out, smarmy pastors dipping their beastly tatooed right hands in their congregation’s pockets while playing horrid Xtian rock songs And did anyone ever notice that the Beast “was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months” (R 13) and Douglas Adams’s computer says the meaning of life, the universe and everything is “42”!!!! Is that a coincidence? I think not. Or maybe the Catholics were Beast 1, and the Mega-Churches were Beast 2 (R 13.11) and as soon as they get a drummer they’ll form a band called the Beastie Boys….

  • Bruce

    Ha, ha, ha, ha,… You’re all crazy. He said… she said… Your friends with him or her or whatever. Rambling on and on about stupid stuff like it matters. Tearing yourselves apart like a bunch of school children so the Washington post can get advertisers and make money from your gossip. It’s just too funny. Blaa blaa blaa.. Ha Ha Ha. I’m going back to work now. Life to too short to be wasted on mindless dribble.

  • marilyne

    Maybe if we had more John Hagee’s in this world it wouldn’t be so awful. When we took God out of the the public is when our troubles really started in this country. As for an all white congregation thats a lie watch his service on Sunday and then retract your bigoted statement.