McCain’s Choice Inspires Evangelicals

Elsewhere on this site, Post humor columnist Gene Weingarten wonders in all seriousness whether John McCain’s choice of Alaska Gov. … Continued

Elsewhere on this site, Post humor columnist Gene Weingarten wonders in all seriousness whether John McCain’s choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate is “a disastrous stumble or a monstrous gaffe?”

The reaction of conservative evangelical leaders suggests a third option: Truly inspired.

In a CBSNews.com interview earlier this month, Southern Baptist heavyweight Richard Land said John McCain’s choice of a running mate would be crucial to conservative evangelicals who have their doubts about him.

“I think that the vice presidential choice that John McCain makes is probably the most important choice he’s going to make in this entire campaign,” Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said Aug. 8. “Because he has no room for error, no margin for doubt. If he picks a pro-choice running mate, it will confirm the unease and the mistrust that some evangelicals–and don’t forget this, social conservative Catholics–feel about McCain.”

So who did Land think McCain should choose?

“Probably Governor (Sarah) Palin of Alaska, because she’s a person of strong faith,” Land said. “She just had her fifth child, a Downs Syndrome child. And there’s a wonderful quote that she gave about her baby, and the fact that she would never, ever consider having an abortion just because her child had Downs Syndrome. She’s strongly pro-life.”

“She’s a virtual lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. She would ring so many bells. And I just think it would help with independents because she’s a woman. She’s a reform Governor. I think that, from what I hear, that would be the choice that would probably ring the most bells, along with Mike Huckabee, of course, who’s a Southern Baptist.”

Land got his wish Friday when McCain chose Palin as his running mate. If Palin’s presence on the GOP ticket inspires white evangelicals and pro-life Catholics to put their full weight behind McCain’s candidacy, it could prove disastrous for the Democrats.

In 2004, President Bush’s re-election was sealed with the support he got from white evangelicals and Catholics. Bush won nearly 80 percent of the white evangelical vote and 52 percent of the Catholic vote — including 55 percent in the key swing state of Ohio. A recent Time magazine poll showed that nearly 60 percent of Catholic voters consider themselves pro-life voters.

As megachurch pastor Rick Warren told the Wall Street Journal, the abortion issue is just as important to evangelicals. “A lot of people hear (about a broader evangelicla agenda) and they think, ‘Oh, evangelicals are giving up on believing that life begins at conception. They’re not giving up on that at all. Not at all.”

Evangelical leaders were elated Friday.

Tony Perkins, President of the Family Research Council:

“Sarah Palin clearly addresses the issues so many conservatives are concerned about. It balances out the ticket,” said Tony Perkins, President of the Family Research Council. “She’s also really a checkmate for the Democratic Party because folks who were looking to make history for Barack Obama can make history by voting for John McCain in seeing the first woman elected to the vice-presidency. It was a very strategic move by John McCain.”

Dr. James Dobson, Chairman of Focus on the Family, who has said he could not support McCain, expressed support for McCain’s choice Friday.

“Gov. Palin’s commitment to the sanctity of life is not just a political position. She was advised to abort her fifth and youngest child when it was learned he had Down syndrome. She refused. That’s bravery and integrity in action,” Dobson said in a statement.

“Gov. Palin’s views align with Sen. McCain’s own stated position that human life is precious and must be protected – and that gives us confidence he will keep his pledges to voters regarding the kinds of justices he would nominate to the Supreme Court and the way he would conduct our nation’s domestic and international affairs. This selection by Sen. McCain is a very encouraging sign for his campaign.”

Pro-life advocates and website were buzzing Friday about McCain’s choice.

“Sarah Palin is the whole package. There couldn’t be a better vice presidential pick,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List, an influential pro-life PAC. “By choosing the boldly pro-life Sarah Palin as his running mate, John McCain has taken his stand as the one true, authentic pro-life ticket.”

Authentic and historic. The Democrats have the first presidential ticket to include an African American. The Republicans now have the (*their) first presidential ticket to include a woman.

The fact that this particular woman is “boldly pro-life” and “a person of strong faith” who led her high school’s chapter of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes should inspire conservative evangelicals and Catholics.

(p.s. The Post’s “Capitol Briefing” blogger Ben Pershing points out another factor in Palin’s appeal to evangelicals: Her support for the teaching of creationism in public schools, which created a bit of a stir when she ran for governor in 2006.)

* How could I forget Geraldine Ferraro, Walter Mondale’s 1984 running mate? My mother will be very disappointed. Thanks for catching my mistake, readers.

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  • ebrobston

    “The Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman”Um, does Geraldine Ferraro ring any bells?

  • nms

    “The Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman.”It is an historic choice, but of course not the first. That was Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.

  • CORKY

    Does it even enter the evangelical mindset that this woman could be next prez of the United States? What is wrong with Republicans?? You’ve had a torturing war monger for prez and because he was born again you re-elected him. Unfortunately all you care about is creating the armagedon, not the protection of america.

  • Papa Ray

    ” If Palin’s presence on the GOP ticket inspires white evangelicals and pro-life Catholics to put their full weight behind McCain’s candidacy, it could prove disastrous for the Democrats.”I’m not sure I know how you came up with the above statement. There might be a very few of those mentioned above that would vote for Obama and Biden, but just a very few.Now if your talking about them just not voting, I can see many that didn’t plan on voting change their minds with the addition of Sarah Palin.I know that I will have to vote for Sarah after I tell my Sweet Sarah (my granddaughter) that a lady with the same name as her is going to be our Next Vice President of these United States.Papa Ray

  • Papa Ray

    “…not the protection of america.”I have to disagree with that opinion.I’m an old man and I can tell you that a woman can, would and has only one thing on her mind almost every hour.The protection, security and well-being of her children and family. I can tell you from many years of experience with women both in and out of business and government, women are more resolute in protecting what is theirs and security minded than any man.When she becomes the VP, America is her family and you can rest assured it will be in good care.And I don’t even know the lady.Papa Ray

  • Terry

    McCain is using Palin to gain the Evangelical vote just as Bush did… how sad that it is the only way to gain power. More of the same McCain.

  • Ruben

    I plan not to vote at all, but now that MC chose woman as his VP, I will vote for MC because of her.

  • Steve, Scottsdale, az

    I think McCain’s choice for VP just gave the election to the Democrats. When you look at McCain’s judgement, this looks like a sop to the right wing evangelicals, and not a good choice at all. Mitt Romney would have been the strongest choice for VP.

  • Fate

    Yea, I have to agree, this was a pro-life pick. Nothing else explains it. McCain needs the republican base to go to the polls in November and not stay home. Up to now nothing inspired the evangelicals. Oh my, its 2000 all over again, except Bush actually had experience. Just shows how desperate McCain is.Just look at what Palin did with the Creamery Board to see how much judgement she has. Like Bush, she would not think before she acts, nor afterward.I watched the annuoncement by McCain as he introduced Palin. I was focused on the background, the people in the audience. All white faces every one of them. Obama had 80,000 faced of all colors in a stadium. Its going to be a landslide. Hopefully the republicans will be able to get back to their roots, but with Palin being elevated like this I doubt it. The GOP has become the Christian Evalgelical Party, and a minority party at that. Traditional wealthy republicans will move over to the democrats side in order to get things that need to be done in this country done.

  • Abolhassan Bani Sadr

    Religion is a colossal waste of time and a lot of imaginary man made hocus pocus mumbo jumbo.

  • Anonymous

    Um, Geraldine Ferraro was the first female VP candidate for the Dems. Back in the 80’s. If McCain is elected then it will be a first.

  • dpingr

    “The Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman”Yes, I’m afraid to say that your fairly well-reasoned (albeit through rose-colored conservative glasses) argument pretty much falls apart with your historical end-gaffe. Tell me, Mr. Waters, are you a freshman or a sophomore? And are you totally into Coldplay?

  • robert

    Let me challenge one assumption: this Catholic is voting for Obama.

  • June

    While it is a good decision to pick someone to appeal to your voter base (conservative) and to draw in wary constituents (evangelicals), I can’t help but think that this was orchestrated to draw away Hilary supporters. I think that Palin’s pro-life view and ties to oil companies may backfire, especially if Hillary begins heavily campaigning for Obama and her supporters listen.

  • Benjamin

    Yeah, I am sure McCain made this pick to appease American evangelicals… NOT. I’m sure it had nothing to do with swaying women voters and building upon his already sizable pool of pissed off Hillary supporters.

  • Seema

    So….Papa Ray…you’re voting for Sarah Palin because she has the same name as your granddaughter? How inspiring. How educated. How not suprising.

  • hamishdad

    I like Palin because she’s a soccer mom and she’s pro-life. Just the qualities I’m looking for in a potential President. She’s not just pro-life, she proliferates faster than a pooch in an Amish puppy mill.

  • George Michael

    “The Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman.”The fact that you can’t even remember Geraldine Ferraro’s campaign for VP under Walter Mondale shows just how much of a non-issue this is.

  • a conservative American

    ferraro was and is a joke

  • Greg

    @SeemaPapa Ray’s logis is not really that far of a stretch from the logic 99% of African Americans are using to vote for Obama.

  • Paul

    Perhaps she decided to have her Downs child because she has tons of cash and a full-time staff that can take care of the child?

  • Tech Consultant

    “The Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman”Ferraro, oh well. Details, details. What’s all this quibbling over a few historical facts among friends? The first REPUBLICAN ticket to have a woman, at any rate . . . .

  • Jon

    I am an American living overseas and I see the choice of John McCain, as a new breath of fresh air for our party and country. They will have my vote on election day…. May God Bless America,John McCain,Sarah Palin and The Republican Party….

  • Dave

    Ferraro wasn’t the first either. Theodora Nathan was the first woman to recieve a vote in the electoral college (as VP on the Libertarian ticket) in 1972 (cast by an elector from Virginia who had been pledged for Nixon).

  • Christopher London

    I would love to tell you that I was surprised by McCain’s pick Alaska Governor, Sarah Palin but I am not. For many reasons, I saw this coming. McCain’s Cardinals are Karl Rove & William Kristol (PNAC:

  • jason

    McCain did not choose Palin. The powers that hijacked and destroyed the Republican party did.McCain looked nervous and unsure of the appointment of Palin.The McCain camp is completely desperate.

  • Sam

    Someone get Mr. McCain his alzheimer meds. He truly demonstrated his judgment. What an awful first executive decision. All he saw was a woman who could may get some sympathy votes from the Hillary ‘disappointeds’ and eye candy for the evangelicals.

  • Pam

    The race is on again!

  • Paul

    Yes, and it’s also wonderful how instead of being there to raise this four month old child with Down’s Syndrome she’s running for vice-president. Excellent family values, that decision.

  • Alex Walker

    I’m not evangelical, but I support Palin. I think she’d actually protect my freedom, not waste it. I don’t like McCain. I don’t like Obama. I really didn’t like Clinton (though I voted for her husband). I’m excited about Palin and I hope the press focus on the truth: she has strong opinions that folks can choose to like or dislike, but she does have executive experience (unlike Obama or McCain).

  • terra bit

    IS THIS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT MATTERS TO YOU PEOPLE? ARE YOU REALLY THAT IGNORANT? YOU VALUE VOTERS ARE THE REASON THIS COUNTRY IS IN THE MESS IT IS IN TODAY. WHAT THIS COUNTRY REALLY NEEDS IS TO DO AWAY WITH ALL YOU BLIND FREAKS. TAKE YOUR MORAL AGENDA’S ELSEWHERE. YOU ARE RUINING THIS NATION.

  • David

    The Obama Biden ticket is now 100% stronger and the self proclaimed Hockey Mom from Alaska put an end to four more years of BUSH!

  • Stan O

    She’s a good choice in that conservatives now have a higher comfort level with McCain. This clear out some of the apathy many conservatives feel about McCain and actually get them to the polls to vote.

  • Aaron

    If this pick goes down well in the Bible Belt it’ll be a sad commentary on the state of modern America. There were far better-qualified pro-life options, not to mention FAR more experienced women. Palin is utterly, laughably unqualified for national politics and about the most obvious pander McCain could have made. If she’s supposed to attract Clinton PUMA voters, McCain might have tried finding someone at least marginally similar to Clinton – capable and intelligent and strong.This is just…sad.

  • Robert

    “The Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman.” yeah …again, not!Time to get the prostrating to invisible beings out of American politics …leave that for other nations. Time for America to move forward.

  • Greg

    @George MichaelI think you misunderstood. Palin is the FIRST woman on a republican ticket. This is true. Maybe you should practice your reading and understanding skills? What part of that statement do you not understand?

  • joseph marcucilli

    Isn’t she being investigated for abuse of power?

  • BKN

    Can we pick Palin as president? Finally someone who is in touch with reality. Everyones tougher in Alaska. Putin should be worried.

  • Westexacan

    I think the choice was great. It now hands the presidency to the Democrats and a change that is badly needed.

  • Mark Lockwood

    Truly amazing, think the Republicans just secured the white house.

  • Lee

    This Catholic is voting for McCain. Pope John Paul always says defend life of the unborn child.

  • Judy from Juneau

    Well, here is McCain’s first cut to the federal budget. Since he doesn’t believe in equal pay for equal work he won’t have to pay Palin as much as he would have had to pay Pawlenty or Romney. My question for Palin is where will she live? She is the first governor of Alaska that hasn’t lived in Juneau, the capital city. Will she continue to live in Wasilla instead of Washington if she is elected?

  • CDE

    Geraldine Ferraro does ring a bell. In fact she was on TV last week talking about the gender bias that was apparent during the Obama campaign. Good on McCain for showing the courage and confidence to offer the opportunity to Palin. I suspect it will serve him well. It will with this voter.

  • A miamian

    And in conclusion… panic panic McCain all the same…

  • crap

    please keep religion out of my government

  • Constantine

    I believe you are also forgetting that Glenn Close was Vice President under Harrison Ford.

  • Anonymous

    I THINK THATS COOL

  • Bob Holderness

    I’m wondering what membership in NRA has to do with Christianity, evangelical or otherwise.

  • balt

    As a father of 6, pro-life democrat, I think it shows terrible family values for the mother of a 4-month old with Down syndrome to spend so much time away on a campaign trail. Luckily for the child, she’ll be back in Alaska full time after November 4.

  • jeanette

    Palin is not the first woman on a ticket – Geraldine Ferraro received that honor. Although she is the first GOP to do so.I’m not convinced,this seems more to me to be an attempt to pander to those undecided individuals who may have voted for clinton and are wavering on obama. As for me, my concerns are still revolving around the fact that she is #2 in the white house possibly and has little to no experience in foreign affairs, governs a state that is tiny and the only link seems to be that it is a state that may ‘rescue’ us out of our dependence on foreign oil? McCain is wavering seriously if he is still going forward with our homeland security is priority #1 and placing someone so inexperienced in the veep seat.

  • Dana Blankenhorn

    Your concluding paragraph forgot or ignored Geraldine Ferraro. Even Palin didn’t. You wrote “he Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman.”You need to change the the to their.

  • Sally H.

    pro-gun, pro-life? WWJD??

  • Jesus

    If and when something happens to McCain, is the fact that she’s a conservative woman with too many kids really the only criteria people are prepared to set for Palin as President of the United States?A dumb move to appeal to dumb people.

  • Chuck O’Brien

    Governor Palin advocates for drilling oil and natural gas. Big change in the Vice Presidency: not an oil man, but an oil woman.Goodbye Darth Vader – Hello Darth Mater!

  • Sam

    I am sick and tired of the media and columnists who always come up with trivial issues ignoring the challenges this nation is facing.America…you get what you deserve..

  • NEIndep

    I’m an evangelical Christian, and I’m sure I’d like Sarah for my friend. I admire her choice in protecting the life of her Downs Syndrome baby, her service to her community, etc. but that does not mean I want her to be VP. What does she know about foreign policy or economics or energy diversity. The thought of her being president if and when 72 year old McCain can not lead scares me. This was a desparate attempt to get Hillary votes, not to choose the best person for the job.

  • Fred

    NRA+Christian?How can a follower of Jesus also be a gun carrying person. But, then again, what does Jesus have to do with evangelicalism in America? Absolutely nothing.

  • Anonymous

    I am a pro-life woman. I am pro-life in every sense of the word – guided by the basic tenet: thou shalt not kill. Nothing could induce me to vote for McCain and Palin. McCain will keep us in Iraq and perpetuate the death and destruction of that war – a war that is not justified on the basis of self-defense (or any other purpose). Whether killing is done in the name of “choice” at home or “promoting freedom” abroad – it is killing all the same. Christians understand this – Rovian spin doctors do not.

  • Ohio_student

    The evangelicals quoted in this article are clearly single-issue voters. They care less about having a qualified vice president than they do about whether McCain’s ticket looks like an “authentic pro-life ticket”. The role of a vice president is more than just a message on an issue.The author displays just this sort of ignorance of the bigger picture when he mistakenly states that the McCain-Palin ticket would be the first major ticket to include a woman.Here we have a demonstration of a poor way to reason about who should govern this country!

  • Steve

    Oh no more god crap in politics.Believe what you like but don’t try to force it on the rest of the public.This tactic won’t be successful.

  • Patrick

    It hypes me up – I was going to vote for Bob Barr but now I’m voting for McCain!!

  • AG

    “The Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman.”This is not true and Palin herself said so by pointing out the groundbreaking candidacy of Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.She also pointed out that Hillary was the closest to actually being nominated for President.

  • George Michael

    @Greg:That sentence is ambiguous and could be construed either way. It does not put my reading comprehension into question, but rather Mr. Waters’ writing skills.

  • Pam

    The Republicans just gave up the only issue they’d hung their hat on concerning Obama – inexperience.A TV sports reporter? Mayor of a town of 6,000 people? An accidental, partial-term governor of a state with a population smaller than most Lower-48 state capitals? C’mon!

  • Wood

    I don’t want the 1st term Governor of Alaska nor the Ex-Mayor of Wasilla, ak, population 6500; who was a former Sportsbrodcaster to be 1 heartbeat away from the Presidency. When the guy who picked her has poor judgment skills and a reputation of being “insane McCain” in the way he talks to people on the House of Congress floor.Hate t tell you but this idiot just gave away the election.

  • Alaskan

    I find it interesting that so many are saying MC chose Palin to gain women and evangelical votes. Is not Obama’s VP choice a call for votes in his unexperianced direction. Hello people this is all about winning the race! Dont act so shocked.

  • Anonymous

    I THINK THATS COOL

  • Charlie

    Her children will carry the election.

  • Vicky

    I think McCain has found the female equivalent of Dan Quayle… I almost feel sorry for her…

  • will

    1st gimmick-Democrats propelling unknown, inexperienced non white male to the Democratic ticket.Obama Biden are 1 experienced (Biden) and 1 inexperienced (Obama) ticket.Maybe now we can get to the issues and solve some problems. Seeing as how cooler heads and rationale usually prevail, I’m putting my money on the Right.

  • Anonymous

    The republicans just won. Amazing. The dems had this election all but taken. But then they decided to put the poster boy for affirmative action in as their selection. Basically an empty suit with a good marketing team. (His convention was put on by the same company that produces Brittany Spears concerts).I am amused and amazed at the ineptitude of the democrats. They wanted SO BADLY to have a black man in office that they threw everything else out the window. Now they are screwed.

  • JLB

    In response to Corky…I think it does enter many Evangelicals mind that she could be the next president. Many Evangelicals vote values/morals over taxes, healthcare, etc. It is a sharp divide in our country, but I do believe that once our values are in the right place…healthcare and the like will be of no concern. When we are all on the same page, we can see to it that no child is left behind. The list goes on and on.

  • bab

    I can’t wait for the first Biden/Palin debate, especially when the topic of foreign affairs comes up.Q. Governor Palin, how would you have responded to a Russian invasion of South Ossetia?A. Well, first I would pray for the Lord to smite that godless nation. Then I would go for a run.

  • Truly Inspired…to laugh

    McCain is reaching now. He wants those women who are mad at Obama for not picking Hillary. He also is trying to scoop up the evangelicals. This does nothing to help him or his party. Where is the foreign policy experience? Where is the domestic policy experience? Who has really, really done something for someone else and worked for what they have? Answer that question and you will have the real candidate.

  • bdf, georgia

    What conservatives seem to forget is that with access to family planning and properly funded sex education, abortion rates go down, as they did when Bill Clinton was President. Under GW Bush, with his hard-line against family planning and the substituting of sex education for abstinence preaching, abortions went up.

  • Mark

    I am one of those evangelical Christians, and I was on the fence between Obama and McCain until today. McCain’s choice sealed my vote – for Obama.

  • JBW

    Geraldine Ferraro was the first female VP on a ticket.

  • Sam

    What a show of judgment’ – not. Don’t worry fellow Americans, go to your nearest ATM and keep yourself occupied. Go do some shopping, because this is a real disaster and too hard for your pscyhe.

  • Lennie

    I am Catholic and I am voting for Obama! And a woman! I think that people who are voting for this little pair needs to see what she is really about… like check out the article about how she was or is under an investigation with something to do about her ethics?! This country doesnt need another person in power with an ethics problem!

  • Nix

    This reminds me of the lip-service the Bush administration gave us with the doomed-at-inception Flag Burning constitutional amendment, and gay marriage constitutional amendment. McCain will play coy games with us for votes and, then leave us hanging without any satisfaction if elected.Will we fall for it again? Waste another vote on more lip service? Wasting votes on McCain just to get nothing is pointless. If nothing is going to happen, we should at least make use of our votes to send a message that we don’t appreciate lip service from OUR leaders. Leave that sort of thing to the dems. Cast a vote that means something. Vote for Bob Barr so we can get our message across once and for all. If we don’t do it now, our leaders will never get the message, and they will continue to treat us like doormats that can be manipulated by parlor tricks.

  • Dustin

    Well, I was on the edge. I was hoping for someone more moderate like Romney, I don’t think I’ll be voting in this election.

  • Libertarian

    Only thing Sarah Palin has going for her is: She is very sexy. The rest is typical conservative crap which isn’t much different than typical liberal crap. Republicans and Democrats like big government and spending money. She isn’t a fiscal conservative like they make her out to be.

  • David Thomson

    One does not have to be a Christian to like Palin as VP. I’m just glad a woman is on the ballot. I was ready to cross party lines and vote for Hillary Clinton, but now I will stay with my party and vote for the real change this country needs. Future generations will mix races such that we will all pretty much alike. But no matter how hard people try to mix the genders, they always come out either male or female. It’s time the other half gets a shot at the highest office to show us what they can do. To answer other people’s concern about Palin as Commander in Chief, she is already in that role as the Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard. She already has two years more executive experience than does Obama, so I don’t understand what the concern is about in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    McCain just made a very smart, strategic move. With his VP choice of Palin, he not only secured the vote of pro-lifers and evangelicals, he effectively drove a wedge between the democratic party and pro-Hillary women voters who chafe at the Biden VP pick. Her pro-energy business record, lifetime NRA membership, mother of 5 credentials, and avid hunter/fisher hobbies will, I think, appeal to a wide swath of conservatives and independents. She’s not bad on the eyes either. This race just got very interesting. This country will either have it’s first black president or first women vice president.

  • Joseph Cascio

    How could they pick a woman whose only experience is 2 years as governor of a State with 650,000 people and before that Mayor of a town with 9,000 people to be a heartbeat from the presidency and frankly and old and tired heartbeat at that! Does anyone want this woman as our President?!

  • sneal

    Geraldine Ferraro was the choice for the Democratic VP – not the Republicans.Do you think McCain will try and get Sarah Palin to do a little drilling for oil of of the Alaska coast? And will it benefit Sarah’s husband, who works for BP? (British Petroleum)And how is she going to give her 5-month old infant who was born with Down Syndrome the attention and care that the child will need and deserves? Won’t she be quite busy with a rigorous schedule as VP?Just some food for thought…

  • old dude

    religion does not belong in politics. our country is doomed if we allow the backwoods moral minority to continue to undermine everything this country was founded on. they do not believe in freedom. they do not believe in rationality. they only believe in fiction and their own false sense of self importance and superiority. evangelicals are the death of this nation.

  • Mary Lou

    If Mr. Land and other Evangelicals think that being a member of the NRA and prolife are the credentials needed to satisfy them then so be it. This time the Democrats have it right. It’s all about what this nation has shamefully become under George Bush. Under George Bush and the Republican Party this nation lost its moral compass, especially it’s compassion for “the least of these.” Palin is a nice lady, a good mom, and a good governor…and unfortunately the VP of a pandering presidential nominee who has put his political aspirations above all else. A maverick would use sound judgement and not capitulate to the right wing of his party just to try to get elected.

  • aamcnay

    With the addition of a woman to his ticket mccain can wave goodbye to osama obama on his way to the whitehouse :0)

  • GHOST

    Once again… i will not be voting…Would it be too much to ask for REAL candidates to be nominated. Ones’ who can actually make a difference and not just conglomerated, imagined candidates manufactured as a commodity for votes… I understand it is a contest. However, we have a nation to think about. Put the party political crap aside, and lets have a REAL President!! just my $.02

  • thompst

    A brilliant gambleEverybody likes Sarah Palin. She’s dynamic, likable, and a good person. She’s very Christian, and pro-Life, and will bring in the Fundamentalist vote.McCain distances himself from the corrupt “Republicrats” with this choice, and shores up his ticket’s conservative credentials.She’s a woman. This will help the ticket being perceived as at least somewhat progressive and diverse.BUTShe’s a small-town, small-minded, fundamentalist Christian woman who got swept into power by the corruption scandals in Alaska.She makes John McCain look OLD. Sarah Palin could easily end up President, which is very frightening.

  • Erik the Red

    Barak hussein O. like all the other slobbering liberal hippies, never accomplish anything. they love to talk beautiful rhetoric but lack any ability to actually do something.

  • SteveJJ

    The Obama camp must be going nuts. McCain selected a woman who is better looking than Michelle and a better basketball player than Obama. Wow, way to go John.

  • Lagena

    I feel that behind every man stands a good women and finally we will have someone to speak who has been there. Wife, Mother and Career women what more could we ask for. Alaska loves her and so do I……..

  • Frank M.

    Isn’t it a shame that there are so few people in the voting U.S. who can’t accept the fact that Sarah Palin is absolutely her own woman. She can’t be bought off, can’t be talked down to, can’t be condescended, and will absolutely not allow democrats to get her goat ! More importantly, she is a good Christian !

  • Mindy:)

    YAY! YAY! YAY!! All you Obama supporters are sweating in your boots aren’t you! HAHAHA!!!I think the writer mis-spoke and meant to say, “The Repubs have the first REPUBLICAN Woman selected for VP, while the Dems had the first DEMOCRATIC Woman for VP.” By the way, Geraldine Ford is VERY PLEASED with McCain’s choice (FOX NEWS; CNN).Palin is a GREAT choice and while she won’t win all of Clinton’s followers, she will win some. The most important issue here is that McCain did not abandon the conservative evangelicals for the sake of winning some of Clinton’s supporters. He simply did what was best for this party. There was NO BETTER choice for America!!!God Bless America – the land of the free – where Dems try to make it unpatriotic to be patriotic:( SAD!

  • Dave

    To Paul, who said that having a woman leave for a job is bad family values…What the hell is wrong with a father being the primary care giver? I am a stay at home father, People who think that only a mother can care for the children are backwoods thinkers.

  • Will

    Robert, Your comment that you are Catholic and are voting for Obama seems like an oxymoron. For the life of me I don’t see how anyone can claim to be Catholic when they don’t even believe the basic things that Catholics believe such as respect for life.

  • Tennessee Independent

    Most voters will relate to her first as a Mom and a wife to an everyday (union) steelworker. That plays really well in Ohio and Pennsylvania, and those states are critical. Those qualities alone should cause concern for the Obama camp, that looked like they had it locked up until today. The fact that she is an evangelical, gun-toting, pro-lifer is going to bring out folks in the south, that may have stayed home. She is an unknown, and as a result web sites from the Alaska Governor’s Office, the McCain Campaign, and various political sites have been literally overloaded beyond capacity. The has been choices, Romney, Ridge, etc., could have never created this kind of buzz. If she can debate Biden solidly, and that is a big “IF,” then McCain may once again rise from the dead, like he did in the Republican primary. If nothing else, the selection was bold, and demonstrates a candidate willing to buck the Washington political machine. Maybe she’ll fizzle away or maybe the gun-toting conservative Mom will be the second coming of Margaret Thatcher. Either way, this just got a lot more fun to watch!

  • drlung

    Palin is a great choice for many reasons. She is a governor, she has expertise in energy which may be the overwhelming issue of the election, she is small town star and will attract the small town “bitter people” that Obama disses, she has been to Kuwait and has a better grasp of foreign policy than has yet to be talked about, she establishes America’s right to Alaska which the Russians are questioning again (we’ll see what Putin has to say about this), and she energizes a large segment of the Republican party. she is an outside washignon reformer, etc etc.Obama talks the talk, but doesn’t walk the walk. He blinked badly on his first “presidential” decision and chose a political hack Biden, rather than reformer. By the way have either of them been to Alaska?

  • David Lane

    The Republicans are really showing their desperation. I guess they figure a long shot is better than a sure loss. All but the most simple minded and sexist Hillary supporters will lead the charge against Palin as she is the polar opposite of Hillary on almost every issue.

  • Rich

    I’m an Alaskan. I know Palin. She is a winner. Strategically, McCain could not have made a better choice. When America gets to know her, they will wonder why she is not at the top of the ticket…someday…in the mean time, I hope she pushes for as many VP debates as possible – she steals the show in that venue. This will change the race as much as Clinton’s focus on the economy vs Bush 1. She is the best representative women could have. This is not a political hail mary, but a shrewd and wise choice for VP. It fundamentally changes the nature of this race, and makes a Obama’s call for ‘change’ look superficial and weak.

  • George Bush (Sr.)

    Hey McCain…what a show of ‘judgment’, almost as good as my sonny boy’s.

  • MichiganIndependant

    I am so excited about this McCain VP pick. I was not excited about John McCain until now! I had been looking hard a Obama but his position on live birth abortions is to say the least grizzly, contrasting that to Gov. Palin signing a safe haven bill for infants. I like that much better. I don’t have any idea what religion she is nor do I care. Principles are what is important.

  • Zack

    @ GREG: The article does not say Palin is the first woman on a “Republican presidential ticket.” It says the Republicans have “the first presidential ticket to include a woman.” That wording clearly implies that the author has forgotten about Geraldine Ferraro.

  • EEE

    I’m catholic and voting for Obama

  • Anonymous

    John McCain=mentally ill (PTSD, Alzheimers, Senility) but has faux “maverick” brand that appeals to some Dems & Independents. John McCain=Neocon Trojan HorseMcCain + Palin=Neocon Deception to inspire Republican base.McCain’s cardinals are Karl Rove & William Kristol (PNAC:

  • pat

    I am sick of these men in their crumpled suits, spouting the same hot air, she will make a fresh and fun ticket. McCain-Palin-08

  • Fate

    Tech Consultant wrote: “Ferraro, oh well. Details, details. What’s all this quibbling over a few historical facts among friends? The first REPUBLICAN ticket to have a woman, at any rate . . . .”Its interesting when you consider that republicans always seem to be about 25 years behind the democrats in everything, from integration to accepting social programs to electing women to office to appointing minorities to putting a woman on the presidential ticket. I guess we will have to wait until the election of 2032 to see a black on the republican presidential ticket. Stop dragging your feet republicans and come into the 21st century, or at least the 20th century. Look at who is in the audience cheering McCain and Palin. 100% white people. It looks like a political rally in 1908! If your company employed that audience it would be investigated for discrimination for crying out loud.

  • Jandro

    I think that McCain’s choice of VP candidate will no doubt assuage the fears of pro-life single-issue voters that McCain stands for the values they espouse. However, as is the GOP’s modus operandi, the Republicans are engaging in mere puffery.Do you think that choosing a VP who would deny women the right to choose will have any effect on President McCain’s decisions to sign or veto bills presented for enactment? Aside from the VP’s Senate duties, the Vice President is arguably the weakest Constitutional officer. In a Senate with a solid Democratic majority, I am gleeful that the Republicans have tricked social conservatives once again.

  • Anonymous

    I am an Evangelical and an officer in the military. I am embarrassed that Evangelicals would vote for the McCain/Palin ticket based on her pro-life views alone. Her inexperience frightens me as a Soldier. The thought that she was chosen solely because she is pro-life and female is truly offensive on many levels. How much more shallow can they be?

  • bab

    Will, For the love of God, get over yourself.Signed,

  • hannah

    Sarah Palin is even less known than Barak.

  • Ben Rodda

    I am an Evangelical and former pastor and will NEVER vote for MCsaime. Evangelicals have been taught to vote on Two issues: Abortion and Gay Marriage. The people effected by these two issues combined come no where near to the amount of people effected by poverty in our country. People who have no chance at the American dream. The thought that the wealthy in America will some how allow their wealth to trickle down to the poor in our country it absolutely foolish. Bottom line is the only hope the republican party has is to continue to scare evangelicals into voting for them.

  • LAL

    Unbelievable. It is not about gender. Can the person do the job. America is headed down stream for another 4 years if republicans win

  • Matooso Ferrara

    White women will decide this election. All blacks (95 percent)will vote for Barack because he is black. By the same token, white women, already rejected by Obama who chose an 36-year Washington insider for VP, will vote for McCain in larger numbers than ever imagined. The Democrtas kicked Hillary in the teeth with the help of the “old media.” Sara Palin levels the playing field. McCain wins!

  • Hefner

    What beauty pagent did she win?

  • JOHNNYBOY

    Good to see so many emails bashing the Waters article. To me it means real hope for America.And to you, Papa Ray, I say, God bless you, but you dinosaurs have had your day. It’s extinction time, as it must be for this planet to evolve.Oops. Did I say evolution?BTW, Obama enjoyed the largest television audience in history last night. God works in strange ways, doesn’t he, Papa?

  • gf

    The problem with Palin as the VP pick is that it is such an immense insult to women. The only reason she is on the ticket is because she is a woman and McCain in making a play for Hillary’s voters. Let’s be truthful here – she doesn’t bring anything other than that. This is a spit in the face of all the hard work women have done to get to where they are. It is insulting and degrading. But then we knew all along that McCain is quite comfortable insulting and degrading women. I have no doubt that once women across America reflect on this decision, it will drive them away from the Republican party on a mass scale.

  • J. Robinson

    CORKY: To Corky:You’re ridiculous and I am unimpressed with the fact that you would automatically assume that just because an individual adheres to some form of religious belief that would automatically label that person as a fanatical war-mongerer who is uninterested in the protection and security of the nation in which they live in.

  • luvwknd

    Friggen bible beaters anyway, isn’t there supposed to be a seperation between church and state? If so you bible beaters, look at the political topics at hand and stay out of religeon when it comes to electing our next Prez!VOTE OBAMA IN NOVEMBER OR THIS COUNTRY WILL GO TO HE11!

  • AK Sourdough

    Sarah Palin ran against a sitting governor who had served 20 years in Congress and beat him soundly. Her opponent was a former governor with the support of the Clinton administration. In her first term as governor she was stood up to the oil companies where she championed a tax structure that returned more of their profits to the owners of the resource, the people of Alaska. Her administration prosecuted corrupt politicans in the pocket of an oil service company and they now enjoy 3 hots and a cot courtesy of the State of Alaska. Her approval rating in AK is 80+% in a state of highly independent indivduals. She is a great choice for VP. I’ll take integrity and backbone over 20 years on the Senate payroll anyday.

  • Eloisa

    Democracy was a bad choice.I’m actually rather heartened that this election is such a transparent popularity contest between one candidate who will surely continue the same slow bleed of sovereignty and wealth out of this country and another who would rather make the swift suicidal cut to the jugular started by his same-party predecessor. Bomb Iran FTW! In fact, I think I’m voting for McCain just so the chaos and ruin will come all the sooner. I do hate it when disaster drags on ominously. Whatever happened to Ron Paul?

  • Dave

    Gov Pavin’s story is awesome. She has a bigger pair than BO and Biden put together, who have never ran anything but their mouths. Great Pick John. Get elected then fake a health problem in 2011, so she can take over and clean out the rank cesspool in Washington. Dave

  • RD

    GREAT Choice! Read the Wikipedia

  • Sarah

    She’s a trophy Veep.

  • LearnFromMe

    >>OHIO_STUDENT:OR, maybe they care more about a qualified president then a less qualified president. This as opposed to a qualified VP then a less qualified VP. And, hello, this is a faith-based article, not one on commerce or foreign affairs or maybe their responses would have been different.Keep learning Student.

  • Larry the cable guy

    On behalf of the Democratic party of America and all the hard working volunteers around the U.S. I would like to thank Senator John McCain for conceding the Presidential election.I hope the Senator finds peace and happiness in his future endeavors. If he can remember which house he’s living in this week.

  • David

    Bringing on the fresh younger Gov. Palin is a brilliant choice for VP.I believe introducing a washington outsider is the best thing any party could do at this point. I must admit I was a little concerned about his age despite Ronald Reagan’s success. I am no longer concerned about his age nor his ability to make the right choice about anything when it matters.Good luck John!

  • Lori

    We have a constitutionally protected right that keeps religion and politics from mixing. I don’t care which god you worship, or if you worship at all…I just want a president who will put the needs of the country before his/her wallet, self-interest and religion.

  • BJ McQueary

    I am thrilled for the McCain/Palin ticket. Excellent choice. A victory for all Americans today! Be glad someone who values life, family & moving forward to a better America is McCain’s running mate. I salute you McCain.

  • Linda

    I agree with so many others…I am an evangelical Christian with strong beliefs. I KNEW I wasn’t going to vote for Obama and what he stood for, and really didn’t want to vote for McCain. I also knew that God was in control of this election…so He has put Palin in place. With this addition, I will definitely be voting Republican again!

  • Meutral

    I do not care about Obama or McCain. But I will vote for her. My vote is sealed. A mother of five is better then any man on earth. This country needs a woman VP.

  • Sharon

    This is the first time I have been truly excited about elections in years. Sarah is a breath of fresh air and she understands what america needs.

  • Steve

    Senator McCain’s pick of Palin blew me away!! A mom of five, Commander and Chief of Alaska’s National Guard, business women, women, marathon runner, wife of 20 years, reformer, daughter of a teacher, husband a union member, NRA member, Pro-Life, Governor of Alaska, flute player, Christian, beauty queen, basketball point guard….etc…..etc…. McCain picked one hell of a “Stud” as his running mate. I am thrilled and look forward to doing all that I can to help him win the presidency!! Sincerely, Steve Alpharetta, GA

  • stm

    She is no doubt a person of principle and faith. On other occasions I would think what an interesting person she was.However, this is a presidential campaign and where is the evidence of the maturity and the experience and the skill that will be desirable and necessary in someone a heartbeat away from the man who will be the oldest president to start a first term ever? Given that McCain has some history of health problems, is it too much to ask for a Veep who could be president if the situation called for it? I suspect that the 3B’s will not be enough here.

  • jill

    Sarah Palin info from wiki:Palin’s husband, Todd, works for BP energy corporation at an oil field on Alaska’s North Slope and works as a fisherman in his hometown in the summers. Todd is a champion snowmobiler, winning the 2,000-mile (3,200 km) “Iron Dog” race four times. Todd is one-eighth Yup’ik. The two eloped shortly after Palin graduated from college; when they learned they needed witnesses for the civil ceremony, they recruited two residents from the old-age home down the street. The Palin family lives in Wasilla, about 40 miles (64 km) north of Anchorage.On September 11, 2007, the Palins’ then eighteen-year-old son Track, eldest of five, joined the Army. He now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq on September 11, 2008. She also has three daughters: Bristol, Willow and Piper.On April 18, 2008, while in office as governor, Palin gave birth to her second son and fifth child, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome. She returned to the office three days after giving birth. Her decision to have the baby after prenatal genetic testing revealed he had the disorder was applauded by the pro-life community.Details of Palin’s personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. In December 2007, Palin posed for a photo spread in the fashion magazine Vogue.

  • Chris

    Guys, read the context. He’s referring that that the Republicans have their first presidential ticket to include a woman. I’m still unsure about this pick. Do not underestimate the evangelical vote like John Kerry did in the 2004 election, however it does make it harder for him to make the experience argument. I do agree that at least she has a few years of executive experience, compared to zero by Obama, but time will tell if this will backfire. I think this is a huge pick, and one that will either lift McCain to victory where he may have fallen just short, or completely eliminate his chance for the White House.

  • James H.

    Pro-life is such a joke. These people are only care about life when it is in fertilized egg form. If that child grows up in poverty, they do nothing. When that child has the potential to go to college, they don’t care. And when they realize there hasn’t been a good ole’ Middle Eastern war in a while, they will draft the same fetus they fought so hard to save 20 years earlier and send it off to die.

  • joepa2000

    This pick is disastrous. While it may shore up some of the base, McCain needs independents, moderates and defecting Democrats and that isn’t going to happen when he gives away his strongest asset — relative experience.

  • MD

    How many of you posting that the Palin selection was a joke and she is not qualified realy know anything about her? Have you ever heard her speak or be interviewed? What do you really know about her experience? It’s amazing how quickly the Obamamanics will demonize someone without any knowledge about that person.

  • Marin Mom

    From the heart of the bluest county in country, I have to say I was moved by McCain’s introduction to Sarah Palin. I have hopes and concerns however. I am hoping that the choice was made because of her strong and passionate ability to change the status quo. She has been effective is standing up to the good old boy network, oil companies and even the Federal Government in her short, but remarkable tenure as govenor.I am VERY concerned if this was to appease conservatives or the religious right of the Republican Party. I would like to hear that her stance as Pro-life is a personal choice and that she doesn’t adhere to the Republican platform stance of a National Ban on Abortions. It is still difficult for me to justify the stance that the Government has a say about such a personal decision, when its the Republican Party who says government should “Get out of our way”. How much more in “our way” could a govenrment be than to force women to have unwanted children. I would like her to say that she thinks there is a problem with the government supporting insurance companies paying for vigara when they will not pay for birth control.But I hope and dream and wish that this is a call for indepence and a change in direction from the “collective wisdon” of the RNC.

  • SoonerBaptist

    I still don’t understand how you go after the Evangelical vote by picking a Catholic. At least she’s conservative, but I’d bet she’s just a lost as McCain.

  • Gabe

    apparently mccain forgot to take his L dopa pills for his alzheimers disease. i wonder if he even knows that he is running for president of the US, he probably thinks he is running for prez of a golf resort. Thank God Obama will be the next prez.

  • Darwin

    She does not believe in science. Science needs logic. Republicans are illogical, and will soon be extinct.

  • ClubbieTim

    The GOP has definitely lost its way and this will be my first election not voting for a Republican. I feel dirty and funny; the feeling you get when you run around w/o undies…. The GOP requires a religious test for its candidates. Also, its a sad day when Bill Clinton is more fiscally responsible than your GOP congress and president…9.5 Trillion dollar debt. Thank you GOP!!!

  • Catholic Veteran from Alaska

    I almost choked when I heard of McCain’s choice. While Palin may be operating well in her first term as Governor of Alaska…she has NONE of the credentials to be VP. She does not have the experience in government to takeover the presidency, she has absolutely NO international exposure or acumen, she does not have the economic background to manage a stricken national economy, she has no real exposure to National Security issues…I can go on and on. We should not choose the leader of the free world based on our emotional subjective feeling about abortion or gun ownership. The neo-cons have found themselves another unqualified straw-man(woman). How absolutely embarrasing.

  • Peter

    This is a perfect choice to expose the hypocrisy of the left. The left is putting up an empty suit and a VP who not-so-secretly would rather run with McCain. The right is putting up an experienced candidate who is a hero and who reaches out to all sides, and now a female VP who is more qualified than the left’s Presidential candidate.

  • Chris

    Wow, what is going to happen on a “bad day”, will will he call her a demeaning name like he did his wife?

  • Lewis B. Sckolnick

    Sarah is smart cute and Jewish. Now that is the whole package.

  • Steve reynolds

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY John Mccain – today he is 72. Anyone else concerned this Sarah person will be President in a few years if McCain wins. We might actually miss Bush if that happens – she will be a tool of the right just like Bush – plus she sounds like the female officer in Fargo!!!

  • Anonymous

    Obama Paid $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price For His Mansion, While Tony Rezko’s Wife Paid Full Price For A Vacant Lot Next Door On The Very Same Day. Obama Later Purchased A Portion Of Rezko’s Land For $104,500; It Was Valued At $40,500.Rezko Was Convicted Of Wire And Mail Fraud, Money Laundering, And Aiding And Abetting Bribery.Obama Provided Political Favors To Tony Rezko, Including Writing Letters On His Behalf:As A State Senator, Barack Obama Wrote Letters To City And State Officials Supporting His Political Patron Tony Rezko’s Successful Bid To Get More Than $14 Million From Taxpayers To Build Apartments For Senior Citizens.” The Letters Show That Obama Did Do A Political Favor For Rezko. FLASHBACK: In December Of 2006, Obama Said He Had “Never Done Any Favors For Him.” “The letters appear to contradict a statement last December from Obama, who told the Chicago Tribune that, in all the years he’s known Rezko, ‘I’ve never done any favors for him.'”

  • David

    McCain could have picked far more experienced and qualified candidates who are pro-life and/or female. I hope that evangelicals will look past the mere fact that she’s pro-life and consider the fact that McCain, who is the oldest first-term presidential nominee ever, has just chosen someone with ZERO national and foreign policy experience to be his potential replacement if something, God forbid, happens to him.He shot himself in the foot with this one.

  • Jonathan

    I wonder if the Focus on the Family types who believe that a mother’s focus should be on her children and not in the workplace will keep their mouths shut for a few months now. Can you imagine what they would have said if the Democrats had nominated the mother of a young child to such a post?

  • starryperdun

    As a Hillary supporter, I feel badly for her….she was disrespected by her husband and dumped by Obama. I may not like McCain…but I’m voting for him because of Palin.

  • j

    Nothing against Ms. Palin. But her as president would be a disaster roughly equivalent to -my- election as president which would, I assure you, be quite the disaster. There’s inexperienced, and then there’s “dude. the white house. it’s WHITE!” inexperienced. Nothing to do with intelligence, ability, or anything else; were Sen. McCain to stroke out and die, folks like Putin and Kim Jong Il and I’m a Dinner Jacket would eat the lunch of ANY person that new to the field, and leave that person asking if their guest would like dessert, too.At least Obama has looked over a few shoulders and READ a treaty or two, and the more-experienced individual in his pairing is second-in command and therefore replaceable should -he- stroke out and die.Unfortunately, I fear will be a great number of people who will look at the idea of a Fundamentalist in the White House and assume God will look after her and this great nation of ours should she find herself in the big chair. “Look how well President Bush is doing, and -he- didn’t have much of a clue, either,” I think they’ll say.I do hope I’m wrong.

  • Neil

    Great selection by McCain. The left, it now appears, does not believe a woman with children should be outside the home or even have shoes on. I served with a mother of young children for years that happened to be a Democrat and she was the best. Not only did she out work everyone else, men and women, she was a terrific, devoted, loving, nurturing mother that looked good in shoes. Palin is the genuine article. Both Palin and McCain have sons in the armed services. Biden’s children are using his influence to speculate on oil futures and reap huge profits from hedge funds. You don’t say!

  • tom

    Does anyone pay attention to the last names of the Democratic candidates:That is just the fact

  • phyllodendrun

    An awful choice!!! A stab at winning when you have nothing. John McCain is not only 72 but has had melanoma three times. Sorry to say that means that this nobody will be President of the U.S. I hope not

  • roger

    The point is clear here. Palin is a social conservative. If you want the Government to control what you can and cannot do in your own bedroom, don’t vote for McCain/Palin.

  • NE Patriot

    Religion. A lot of good it’s done over the last 8 years huh? What a scam. And McCain is a desperate man picking this person as a running mate. I’m sure she’s a nice woman, and good for her for making the decisions that were right in her mind, but she of all people should know that don’t force your views on others. Freedom means the right to chose what’s best for you. Not what’s best for someone else’s beliefs.The religious right is one of the most lopsided thinking group of people I’ve ever seen. There’s all this talk about loving each other and God’s children. But that’s only if you’re not Gay, are pro life, or believe that there’s some kind of God based on Jesus Christ. It’s complete contradiction and these people live it in full faith everyday of their lives. It’s to the point that it’s just as scary as extremist terrorist views. This nation will be in serious trouble if things don’t change. I just can’t see how anyone in the world would want more of what we’ve had over the last 8 years? It makes me wonder if these people have lost their minds to this religion stuff. And it’s true. It really seems like they want to start their own Armageddon. If McCain wins this election, especially now with this nut job running mate who obviously thinks her views should be everyone’s views, with force, then I’m moving out of this country to a place where people have some common sense. If a place like that does not exist anymore I may just take my own life so I don’t have to be a part of this ridiculous human existence anymore. It’s sicking. I’d rather just blow out like a candle then be a part of this sickness in the world. Religion. It’s like a really awful disease that’s warping people’s minds that thoughts. Who with any common sense thinks like this?

  • Sisters in Va.

    I was waiting for Mcain to choose a running mate so I could decide how to vote, this certainly helped. My sister had to take to her bed. I will be voting for Obama and we were Republicans yesterday.

  • Thoren

    Well, it is unlikely she has been thoroughly vetted, isn’t it? But I don’t mean that in the usual way. For example, what is the largest crowd she has ever addressed? I guess it will be next week. Maybe she’ll perform with God on her side. But what about that TV preacher who requested prayers for a biblical rain on Obama’s outdoor acceptance speech? I see news the Republicans are fretting about perhaps delaying the convention because Gustav will be pummeling New Orleans about then. Who would God elect?

  • txtransplant

    Comment to Fate:

  • Fate

    Rich wrote: “When America gets to know her, they will wonder why she is not at the top of the ticket…someday…”Rich, you realize of course the Alaskan legislature is currently investigating Palin for an unlawful firing. It could lead to her getting impeached, right around the time of the election in November. I’m wondering what else could go so wrong for McCain … oh yea, a Katrina like hurricane bashing New Orleans on the first day of the convention.I think God must have it in for the republicans. Its payback time boys for starting wars, ignoring the meek, and basically being very very bad these past 8 years.

  • Cheney

    McCain should have picked Rice. At least she does what you tell her.

  • MoisesFG

    In my opinion she is a good choice and I think is time to stop the personal attacks to people.We are talking serious business and I think if a person is well educated and have some government experience it is. look at the Clinton presidential era, he was not the candidate for those looking “experience” in a candidate but look at his legacy, the same happens with Kennedy in the 60’s. In addition I want to say that no one in politics represent the Christian evangelicals in USA. I am a moderate evangelical and I am for Obama / Biden because it is my conviction after analyzing several facts. Pat Robertson, James Dobson or any other religious leader are not a fair representation of the American christians, they are only representing their personal interests groups, not Christ church which is compose of people from all color, race, background. And again, I am a moderate christian who thinks we need to rebuild among other things the way Christianity is show to all people where sometimes it looks like we Christians are supporters of only one party when the opposite is what is really true.I also respect anyone that choose to vote for McCain and Palin for what they are and not because they belong to certain party that try to rob the identity of His church.Moises FG

  • Libby Kelly

    I am almost 57 yrs. old and I have always said I would never vote for a female President or vice but I have surprised myself. I am so impressed with McCains vp choice. She is more articulate in her speaking than any of the candidates including McCain, no pun intended because I think they will be a great team that we can trust and not just speak words but actually make the words they speak come to a reality. I will be very proud for you two to run our country. USAUSAUSAUSA

  • Andrew

    On March 5th, 2008 Alaska’s Republican Governor, Sarah Palin, announced to the media that she was 7 months pregnant with her 5th child. She is currently 44.The controversy arises from two sources: First, Palin does not appear preganant in any recent photographs. The announcement came as quite a shock to people who had worked closely with her, and have been quoted as saying that she did not appear pregnant whatsoever during the prior 7 months. While this is debatable, you can judge for yourself here: Second, Palin’s daughter Bristol is 16 and attends an Anchorage high school. Students who have attended class with her report that she has been out of school for months, claiming a prolonged case of mono.Apparently, this rumor has made the rounds in the upper echelon of the Alaska legislature, and is a closely guarded secret.

  • erik

    I just read some ladies comment… (Sharon) ether your really dumb and naive or your a paid spammer.. either or you should not vote this year and instead go to church and pray for a president.. Please I beg of your simple little mind to pray for the president… because if GOD is that powerful he will make things right… But stay home and use faith my child of dumbville, USA

  • Jesusfreak

    This evangelical is voting for ObamaThe number of abortions has gone WAY UP during Republican rule. I want some social policies that deal with the whole set of issues related to unwanted pregnancies. Christians have been manipulated and exploited by the Republican machine over this issue for TOO long. They bait us with ballot-box fantasies that we are voting to overturn Roe v. Wade; meanwhile they throw the REST of our values out with the trash.

  • Becks

    For any woman who cares about “women’s issues,” this is a no-brainer, thumbs down, and pure gimmickry. As for traidtional values, once again Repubilcans espouse nothing but hypocrisy: exactly how does one care for a five-month old Down’s syndrome child while on the national campaign trail? With a nanny? If this were a Democrat, the religionists would crucify her, but if the Dems say anything, they’ll be called mysogynists

  • Rene

    It was stupid for John McCain to annouce his running mate the day after Obama’s speech.Now there will not be a chance to twist it into something negative now that all the news is on his VP.This is a nightmare for the spin meisters.

  • tom

    Does anyone pay attention to the last name of democratic candidates :

  • Anonymous….

    I believe it means it is a first for the republicans……ebrobston: Um, does Geraldine Ferraro ring any bells?

  • chris m

    Anybody that McCain picked would have been better than Obama and Biden. If we are to analyze desperate moves then then I would say the same about Obama’s choice. For what he has to bring to the table he should be able to choose several VPs to help him in office. Left wings all fly the same way…… someone comes in and talks a big game and “wooos” John Q public. Said person is basically the second coming to a heard of atheists. Let’s forget about the issues…….. I’ll promise you a better life, the media won’t bad mouth me unless I have “sex” with a person half my age, I’ll spend your money and you won’t even know. I’ll also promise that I’ll motivate you when I’m on TV. When It’s all done you’ll think I did my job, you’ll feel good, but the financial and international standing of our country will be rotted to the core. Vote Chris M – [D] – from any state you think I’m from.

  • GOBAMA

    The GOP found just another BUSH for the Whitehouse.

  • Sonia Kermaz

    Palin sounds like the “all-American girl” that Hillary tried to be. She’ll appeal to millions of voters who think that bibles, babies, and bullets are what America is all about.McCain’s handlers know that image is everything and governance the sideshow.

  • Maureen

    I am a woman and I am Catholic and my family and my church raised me to be more than a one-trick pony. It is a huge mistake for McCain or anyone else to think that a female Catholic would be drawn to Palin just because she has ovaries, didn’t abort a Down’s child and is stridently pro-life. I’m pro-life also — and right now I’m far more concerned about the living than the unborn. I’m tired of hearing that the GOP loves family, God and country more than the opposition. The GOP is morally bankrupt; where is the morality in an unjust war or in a country that will condone torture or endless imprisonment? Where are love of country and family to be found in a negative response to a shattered economy? What about the families still reeling from Katrina? What about the 47+ millions of Americans without adequate healthcare? (Where is God or patriotism in THAT statistic?) Where is the patriotism or a strong national defense to be found in jobs sent out of the country or soldiers without a generous GI Bill or an underfunded educational system — or a government that denies the truths of science and Global Warming? I’ve always thought McCain was clueless; now I see he is even worse: he is RECKLESS. The choice of Palin — a person who lacks any significant experience in government — is shocking. McCain has insulted every American, whether Republican, Democratic, or Independent. In my opinion, to vote McCain would be dereliction of duty as an American. God Bless Obama and Biden and may they prevail so that we can turn this country around and take it back for the average American.

  • Grey

    Hey you guys and gals out there! It’s the FIRST time the Republicans have had a woman on the ticket for Prs or VP! Not the very first time, duh?!!!

  • Benji

    There must be some kinda way outa here, Unreal. This has to be the most interesting campaign ever. And talk about Obama’s inability to make changes, look what he has just accomplished… He has forced the GOP into a knee jerk, shallow, transparently defensive and fateful move that will secure his election. Has she even worked in Washington? She has less experience than Obama…Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb…

  • Bryan B

    Since when do people kill babies in the bedroom?

  • Steve

    Should anything happen to John McCain during his term, there is no one better to hammer out the cold war with Medvedev and Putin or make Iran shut up and set down than Sarah? I’ll put the safety of my family in the hands of Biden any day.

  • Jason

    I think it is incredible that people call themselves Catholic or Christian and say they are going to vote for Obama and Biden. We have all heard of RINOs (Repubilican In Name Only).Well how about COSM0s (Catholics/Christians on Sunday Morning Only.You can’t be both a supporter of abortion and a Christian at the same time (not my opinion..read the Bible).

  • Matt Groves

    I moved out of Alaska in June, 2006; Palin, is the worst choice possible, my wife and I thought it was a joke at first. My thoughts:

  • Young Dude

    Wow! Old Dude, you can’t be that old and have that opinion. Like it or not our country was founded by Christian men, who let their faith strongly influence the way our country was set up. I do not think that a country that turns it’s back on its history and origin is very intelligent. You may not like Christians and that is your right, but don’t think we are the “doom of the country”, we may just be it’s saving grace. Oh yeah, on a side note if you think that it is “old fashioned” to believe that every life has value, then you should thank God that your mother did not have your opinion when she thought about giving life to you.

  • jill

    Sarah Palin info from wiki:In 2006, Palin, running on a clean-government campaign, executed an upset victory over then-Gov. Murkowski in the Republican gubernatorial primary. Despite the lack of support from party leaders and being outspent by her Democratic opponent, she went on to win the general election in November 2006, defeating former Governor Tony Knowles. Palin said in 2006 that education, public safety, and transportation would be three cornerstones of her administration.When elected, Palin became the first woman to be Alaska’s governor, and the youngest governor in Alaskan history at 42 years of age upon taking office. Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood. She was also the first Alaskan governor not to be inaugurated in Juneau, instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks. She took office on December 4, 2006.Highlights of Governor Palin’s tenure include a successful push for an ethics bill, and also shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. After federal funding for the Gravina Island Bridge project that had become a nationwide symbol of wasteful earmark spending was lost, Palin decided against filling the over $200 million gap with state money. “Alaska needs to be self-sufficient, she says, instead of relying heavily on ‘federal dollars,’ as the state does today.”She has challenged the state’s Republican leaders, helping to launch a campaign by Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell to unseat U.S. Congressman Don Young and publicly challenging Senator Ted Stevens to come clean about the federal investigation into his financial dealings.

  • Kris

    As a devout Christian, I would never think to vote for McCain. I simply cannot understand why we, as Christians, have disregarded the wealth of our faiths and fallen into line behind the falsehoods of petty politics. A Republican President, with a Republican Congress put forth little, to no effort, when solving the abortion issue. What makes us believe that McCain will be any different? Obama convinced me when, at his Convention speech, he confronted the issue abortion in the most sensible, intelligent language we can ever hope to hear. Unfortunately, McCain’s outright pandering to us with “pro-life” taglines is a clue that his heart is not in solving this crisis – only tallying his votes.

  • Anonymous

    > Does anyone pay attention to the last names of the Democratic candidates:> That is just the factAre you kidding me? Since when did America become so fearful that we have to start playing games like this? Hell, if you want to play games, you can say things like McCain Palesin comparison to Obama/Biden. See what I did? I just added an S. How clever of me. You are retarded. Now that’s a fact.

  • WAKE UP

    THE TRUE THREAT TO THIS NATION IS NOT FROM ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALIST ABROAD, BUT FROM CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS HERE AT HOME.I LITERALLY BREAK OUT IN A COLD SWEAT WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW EVIL YOU PEOPLE TRULY ARE.

  • Fate

    txtransplant,

  • Mike McGrath

    Remember Geraldine Ferraro? There is a bright woman! Palin? Who’s she? And do we want to know? Sounds like maybe not. I accepted Christ as my personal Savior 37 years ago – and wouldn’t touch McCain-Palin with a ten-foot pole! And I have lots of guns, too. Keep in mind we’re not talking about rabbit hunting here, but running the Western World! When I became a Christian I didn’t become stupid, thank-you!

  • Anonymous

    VOTE YOUR HOPES, NOT YOUR FEARS!

  • GoneFishinMIA

    You have got to be kidding me. Millions of people losing their homes, their jobs, their healthcare, their retirement, security and a proper education for their children. And pro life and guns are the big christian issues? What about quality of life? Jumping off a building looks a lot more attractive than enduring four more years of this hell on earth. It’s like being eaten alive by vultures (smug, self-righteous, hippocritical, cheating, biggoted so-called Christians … who can’t event bring themselves to be honest and call a spade a spade.) Children don’t deserve to be brought into a canibalistic “society” where the leaders eat their own.

  • john ballast

    I am glad she will support our troops in Iraq. We need someone to define support as standing on foreign soil under an absolute false evidence and watching as “our boys” die. Nothing makes me feels more proud to be an American than seeing working people dumped on by Neo Cons. Jesus would be so proud of how the documents were misleading that led his flock to kill the other flock.

  • Anonymous

    Wake Up (in a cold sweat)-Better book your one-way ticket to Saudi before November…

  • mike

    Some may wonder who is going to watch over V.P. nominee Palin’s young baby while she is on the campaign trail. At only 37 I ask who is going to watch over Obama?

  • Rick DeLano

    Great choice!I wouldn’t have voted for McCain unless he had chosen “one of us” as his VP.What a gal.America is going to love her!PS- My wife was a Hillary voter who just decided to vote for McCain cause she’s still mad at how the Obamamaniacs short-shrifted Hillary.Gotta love it!John McCain might be crazy…..like a fox 🙂

  • JAK

    Umm, why does Google have this article linked in as their “top story”?

  • What do great people think

    “Brilliant – Not”- Edison

  • Butch

    May want to fix this lineI believe the Democrats had the first presidential ticket to include a woman. Hard to believe that was 20 years ago

  • Anonymous

    McCain has such a long track record of disrespecting women. This pick is one more example of that. Think about it and you’ll get it if you’re a woman.

  • Stone

    As an Independent, I’ll admit that occasionally there was a slight wobble in my orbit towards Obama, but I was always quickly and proportionately dis-attracted by his coy equivocations describing human life. Many Independents lean McCain’s direction already and will welcome Palin. Obama’s advantage is his survival inside the brutal crucible of running an election for the President of the United States — no small task — this process reveals managerial skills and character moreso than creating it though. Still, Palin has come up through the ranks with distinction and her good stewardship of each office resulted in immediate consideration for the next wrung up the ladder. She is a proven, temperate, skilled administrator with a demonstrable track record of zero tolerance for liars and cheats. I call it a “live” heat right now, with a slight edge to Obama. Dangerously for Obama, Palin has little expectation to “debate” with Biden. Anything she says or does that’s even in the ball park will result in an “inside the park” homer!

  • ruthan

    John Mc Cain you are a desparate worn out old man that is using this soccer Mom. You could have at least took Liberman who helped you out when you did not know the differece on two occasions between the “Shihites and Soonies” Obama and Biden are going to kick your A___! You need it!

  • Joe

    We need issurs to decide the election. not gender.The feelings in the country has not changed since 2006 election. If anything they have gotten stronger for a case for change, Obama and Biden will win by a landslide I believe.

  • Jim in VA

    Too late, it doesn’t matter any more. The Republicans have become know for their big lies, catering to the wealthy, and even the evangelist have become disillusioned. People aren’t buying their negative campaigns of hate and fascist views. Sorry, but the sheep are leaving the building. They don’t want McSame in the white house; he’s too set in his unyielding ways and has a terrible temper. At least Bush didn’t have the temper. Yeah, like we would want to have him with his finger on the button. Can you say “Armageddon”. McCain is running 330% more negative campaign adds than Obama and than attacking Obama about negative adds. Servicemen and women are giving to Obama in an 8:5 margin over McCain, yet McCain rebuts that more General Officers (and the wealthy) support him. If McCain didn’t have the vote of those Americans that would never vote for a Black man or women, no matter what; then Obama would have a 10-15% lead. I would disgusted with myself if I voted for McCain who is the bigot’s choice. Yes, there is a God, remember for who and what your voting for; hope or greed and lies.

  • Maximina

    I am Catholic, and, faithful to the tenants of my faith, pro-Life. (is there such a thing as a pro-abortion Catholic? That is to say there is a square circle, or an anti-American American)I believe protecting the right to life is vital, and I could never vote for a pro-abortion candidate; that would make me an accomplice of the worst holocaust in history: more than 40 million Americans dead because of abortion.If life cannot be protected…why do any other issues matter? dead people do not need a good economy, nor a good environment, nor freedom.As for me and my household we choose Life.Excellent choice McCain! Count on my vote!

  • Dr. Gregory House

    You are all idiots.

  • KYJurisDoctor

    John McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin is a SOLID one for REAL Conservatives, and announcing the pick today is a strategic masterpiece, knocking out Barack Obama/Joe Biden’s after convention euphoria!.Did I mention that I loved EVERYTHING she said after being introduced by John McCain?EVERYTHING!! OsiSpeaks[dot]com

  • Joe

    We need issues to decide the election. not gender.The feelings in the country has not changed since 2006 election. If anything they have gotten stronger for a case for change, Obama and Biden will win by a landslide I believe.

  • James H.

    “Like it or not our country was founded by Christian men, who let their faith strongly influence the way our country was set up.”Wrong, wrong, wrong. Most founding fathers were deists. They believed in divinity and “Providence” but are cosmically distant from what you tounge-speaking Southern nutjobs are today. If you consider the Puritans, who ruled New England with an iron fist, proclaimed and killed innocents as witches, and fell out of favor with the general populace after 100 years the true founders of our nation, then I guess you are right.

  • stubabie

    Will you on the left ever stop being hateful? I sure hope so. I’m very tired of your attitude. I have a strong impression you don’t even know Sarah Palin yet, but you’re already trotting out hateful, disrespectful comments. I also can’t BELIEVE anyone’s attacking Ms. Palin’s inexperience for the vice presidency and touting Barack Obama as qualified for president in the same breath! Nevermind vice presidential debates (in which Ms. Palin should clobber old Smokin’ Joe Biden handily, by the way); you all need to worry about how your man Obama will do against John McCain. I’ve had my differences with Sen. McCain, but these two put together our our last best hope to REALLY turn Washington around, to make government SMALLER, to encourage more Americans to take responsibility for them themselves, to stop holding out their hand and put those hands to work on solving their own problems and creating value in a free economy. Watch out Dems, this ticket has instantly fired up the Republican party, and I’m afraid there’s no stopping us! This is one hell of a ticket. And the cool thing is, if you guys would grow up after you lose and realize we ARE all Americans, we really could all come together under McCain-Palin and lighten up and have some fun while also solving our problems collectively and improving the world… Without that tired retread Democrat dogma Obama and Biden plan on trotting around the track one more time. I’m a happy conservative, my friends!

  • Scrappy M.

    Hey! My Mother would fight a grizzly for her family. Since this lady is a mother she may just have what it takes to be a Mother to our Country. You have heard the saying about a woman scorned, I don’t think we will have any problem with Russia,Iran, Iraq or China if they threaten us they can talk to her. she knows what it means to protect and serve she even knows how to use a gun. I think she will protect America as her family.

  • chasemonster
  • Ms. Rainey

    It is almost amusing to see in the same paragraph that Palin in pro life and that she is a gun enthusiast. She is also prolife and supports this bloody war.Sad….

  • erik

    I really just wish this.. the people that do go into that booth this year and vote for Mccain get tagged on the ear like the sheep they are. Then we will know who to corral every election… or just simply ask themselves this who would jesus vote for

  • abel

    Obama, made a major political mistake on not getting Hillary and uniting the whole democratic party. Period!McCain, helped his campaign by picking another maverick and female who can stand up to anyone. A new inspiring pick the republicans need. She has 80 percent approval in Alaska. Obama is a smart inspiring speaker, but Palin’s actions speak louder than political words. She has fought corruption in both parties in Alaska. When she speaks she says it like it is, unlike polished career politicians. Some people can talk the talk, but Palin can walk the walk. Now the race is exciting! history will be made period with either Obama or McCain!

  • Amy

    “She’s a trophy Veep.”Well, put Sarah! You hit it dead-on! And I feel bad for her for being so ill-used by her party.VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN IN 08

  • BRAVO

    COULDN’T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. VALUE VOTERS PLEASE DO THIS NATION A FAVOR AND STAY HOME THIS NOVEMBER. GoneFishinMIA:You have got to be kidding me. Millions of people losing their homes, their jobs, their healthcare, their retirement, security and a proper education for their children. And pro life and guns are the big christian issues? What about quality of life? Jumping off a building looks a lot more attractive than enduring four more years of this hell on earth. It’s like being eaten alive by vultures (smug, self-righteous, hippocritical, cheating, biggoted so-called Christians … who can’t event bring themselves to be honest and call a spade a spade.) Children don’t deserve to be brought into a canibalistic “society” where the leaders eat their own.

  • Liffa

    I am an evangelical pro-life Christian who is still laughing her born-again butt off about this nomination! A ditsy beauty queen runner up, hockey mom, with a disabled child who will need soooo much extra support from BOTH parents (I should know, I have a son with a disability) who has a degree in journalism and who is under investigation herself????Thanks John. You’ve made my decision to vote for Obama so much easier, now!PS. Did you notice John looking at her legs during her speech? I don’t think we’ll have to have Hillary take care of her…Cindy might just step up to the task!

  • Rajiv

    I don’t get how you can sit around and refuse to vote for Obama because he’s pro-choice while you are ok with sending out millions of sons and daughters to their deaths in a meaningless warseriously… why do you people feel the need to push all your religious agenda on the rest of the country? Why do you care if someone makes a choice whether they can take care of a child or not? Do you want to pay for it? You want another neglected child in the world that may grow up to become a criminal? Because that’s what happens. LET PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS AND LET -YOUR- GOD JUDGE THEM WHEN IT’S THEIR TIME.

  • Susan Cruisin’

    Let’s face it. Barack Obama is a little stupid. He rejected Hillary for an old white guy with hair plugs that has been in Washington 36 years. Now, John McCain turns out to be the candidate of women.

  • Fate

    tom wrote: “Does anyone pay attention to the last names of the Democratic candidates:Lemme guess. You are a republican George W. Bush supporter who thinks Iraq attacked us on 911, right?

  • Reagan (From his Grave)

    Well, there he goes again. He just does not want to be President..

  • Anonymous

    > Some may wonder who is going to watch over V.P. nominee Palin’s young baby while she is on the campaign trail. At only 37 I ask who is going to watch over Obama?Mike, sorry but your facts are wrong. Obama is 47, not 37 as you claim. He would certainly not be youngest president we’ve had, and certainly has far better judgment than the combined experience of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, McCain, Wolfowitz and Rice.

  • W. Earl

    I am amused at those that challenge Palin’s credentials to be VP and argue to vote for Obama. Was Obama’s 2 years in the Senate experience enough to be President? Any Obama supporters who argue she lacks experience highlight their own candidates weakness.

  • Floridian

    Sarah Palin is a sweet choice. Not only will she excite the Republican base, but as a governor she is the only one, on either ticket, with executive and economic and general domestic experience. She is also good on energy issues. She exposed the corruption of Alaska’s former Republican governor and others in her own party who were in the tank with the oil companies, but independently she still knows drilling in ANWAR would be wonderful for the US and no real environmental issue for the frozen tundra. She is such an awesome choice. How come I never thought of her?

  • Advice

    I’m learning something from the comments of liberals and conservatives. Conservatives try to ague that liberal ideas are wrong. Liberals are haters, they attack anyone who has different point of view than they do. Liberals shout down any opposing view point and try to silence debate. Is this what we Democrats have become? I pray that we realize how destructive this has become to the future our party and our country.

  • AntiTom

    tom:Yeah, Tom…. I see it.

  • Goodnight

    The downfall of this country isn’t going to come from any political figure involved with it. It will be because if the idiocy of its populace, and judging from these comments we’re circling the drain right now.

  • John H

    Wow! What sheep.You hard core right wingers do understand that the Republican party is not a political party its an economic party…right?Those in power in the Republican party don’t give a damn about ‘the working class’. Its all about the consolidation of power to the most wealthy.The working class used to be afraid of commies and blacks so the Republicans used that to get you to vote for them. Now its terrorist and gays and the use of fear still works to get people to vote against their own economic interest.Holy Crap! Put 2 and 2 together! Its about money and power not freedom and family values.

  • Leon

    The fact that we are discussing this choice as intensely as we are is a good thing for the McCain Camp. This choice has certain taken Obama’s acceptance speech off the radar screen. It will be forgotten before tomorrow.

  • GW

    #1 There is no God.#2 There was a Jesus, and he was a liberal.

  • Anonymous

    In 2008, the United States of America couldn’t be more divided. More than ever there are racial, economic, class, gender, religious, and political divides. What frightens me more than Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin is that because special interest groups and big businesses are so deep in the pockets of most every politician, none of us and I do mean none of us have any real idea of where these candidates are going to lead us. One side says that Obama will weaken the military and our strength abroad. The other side says McCain will continue the recklessness that W has exhibited over the past 8 years. I’m not a democrat or a republican. I’m an American whose primary concern is who cares about America, not the political dancing and pandering that has become America. I’m speaking of America the good, the bad, and the ugly. The Hurricane Katrina America. The Ohio/California/Florida/Arizona losing their homes America. The getting their jobs outsourced abroad America. The far behind in education America. The overly and most often than not inappropriately used freedom of speech and expression America. The disenfranchised and all out ignored America. Worse than any global warming catastrophe or natural disaster is how quickly America has forgotten what it is to be America. I’d like to know how party loyalty is going to fix those things. Three WHITE guys plot to kill Obama which the media conveniently speaks very little about and these men are never once called terrorists, yet their plot to kill Obama wasn’t any different than what terrorist around the world do. They seek out people they hate for whatever reason and murder them. How American is that? Or does our citizenship make allowances for such acts? How much patriotism does one have to have to agree that the very planning of such a thing was terrorist in its most visceral form? This election is going to rear and expose the underbelly of a lot of issues and institutions that this country of ours was founded on. Classism, Sexism, Racism and all in the name of Patriotism. How many of us make decisions on a daily basis only to regret them the next day? How many of us have shady friends and family members who could embarrass us publicly? What human being fights without at least considering conquest on some level? Can we truly say that America is that much different from the socialist, communist, and dictator regimes around the world? I find it amazing how our military and those who support war are considered the only patriots in America. War in its most basic form is the manifested violence of a disagreement. A disagreement is when two sides refuse to compromise. Compromise is when two parties want something opposite of one another but work to make sure everybody ends up happy. Where’s the fallout that we are ending up in so many wars around the globe? Could we possible, our governemnt specifically, be unwilling to compromise? If you and I disagree, does that mean that I should kick in your door and take up residence until you agree with me? If you threaten to kick my door in, should I not take evasive action to protect my family? These aren’t partisan arguements. These are human needs. And above all human lives. I don’t care how old McCain is or how young Obama is. My question is how can either of them restore America? And please spare me the policy talk, neither of these guys have done all that much to benefit most of us on this blog. I love America. I have the utmost respect for the sacrifices the military and their families make in the cause of freedom. But millions of people are losing or have lost their homes. Millions are losing their jobs. Many can’t afford healthcare or prescription medicine because their retirement and social security benefits are little to nothing. Babies are being aborted at an alarming rate, but you better believe both democrats and republicans are having abortions. You better believe both democrats and republicans are praticing same sex marriages. You better believe that both democrats and republicans are claiming holier than thou status in an effort to connect with America. I know republican atheists just like I know devout christian democrats. When politicians decide on policies, everybody is affected. Political party affiliation doesn’t give you immunity. I’m interested in the future my children deserve and their children’s children. That’s not a party mantra. That’s human decency. I want to feel safe from violence and disparate living conditions. That’s not republican or democrat. A vote or law against something doesn’t prevent the practice of that thing, it just institutes punishment. But neither of these groups, I couldn’t care how eloquent they speak or how much experience they have or lack, if America doesn’t get itself together soon, it will fall like every other perfect empire before it…Rome, Greece, Babylonia, Egypt, Persia, Great Britain and all the rest. So someone please, aside from the partisan rhetoric and self righteous jibber jabber, please tell me when will America stand up and declare that above all things, we need to be united. And for some of you pure white bread bible belt types, the bible says How can two walk together except they be agreed. A house divided against itself will fall. And for you liberal let it all hang out types…just because you can doesn’t mean you should.An American for America

  • Dodo

    Would we treat this beautiful woman with less respect than we treated the beautiful black american man who would be the first African American President?

  • Anonymous

    James H.: To James H:I’ll have you know. I am 24 years old. I come from a family of 9. Out of the 7 children, 5 are adopted from 3 seperate families. I was adopted at the age of 4 along with my younger twin brother and sister who were a year old. A year later, my parents adopted a boy with physical handicaps. Another year later, they adopted a girl with severe mental handicaps (as a result of her mother not wanting her and throwing her out of a third story building at the age of 6 months). All of us could have been aborted. But we were not. I have graduated from university with two degrees. One in psychology and one in communications. I work for the largest outsourcing HR company in Canada as an account executive. I volunteer twice a week working with children with learning disabilities and I will be going to Africa in 6 months to work there for a year teaching english and working on community development. I have an extremely loving family. All my siblings who were adopted (excluding my sister who has a severe mental handicap) have all gone to university or in the process. We live all across the country, either married, some with kids, all with jobs and or a career. I am not bragging here. I just want to illustrate a point to you that we were not aborted, yet our lives have turned into something that cannot be explained. I am utterly thankful that my life has turned out the way it has, through all the hardship and difficulties. Through all of the things I’ve gone through. I am not bitter, but I consider myself lucky. I want to touch the lives of others because of the people who touched my life. If I was aborted (which I know was being considered since I was concieved due to the result of an affair), than I would not be here, doing what I am doing and with an even brighter future ahead of me. You offend me with your comment, but I understand you have not been in my shoes and for that, I don’t blame you. Maybe I am pro-life, I don’t care about labels. But one thing is for sure, if I wasn’t here, or if my siblings wern’t here as a result of abortion, than we couldn’t be helping other people like we are doing today.

  • for McCain

    Palin seems like a good choice, only time will tell for sure. Either way I’m for McCain. It’s clear where he stands on the issues and I agree with him on the ones most important to me.Obama is just a puppet with who know how many people pulling the strings. The reason we don’t know what he believes is simply because he doesn’t know himself. A vote for Obama is a vote for whom ever the “man behind the curtain” is.

  • Despair

    After reading most of these posts it’s very scary to realize that all these people posting have the right to vote.

  • Vicky

    Mike: Obama is 47, not 37… he’s older than Kennedy or Clinton when they took the oath.my question is, who’s going to be changing John’s Depends?

  • Anonymous

    How can McCain be pro-life, yet support the war? That is the greatest contradiction ever. You can’t have it both ways. You’re either for life, or you’re against it.Republican platform:Q: When do human rights begin?Q: When do they end?

  • Anonymous

    The fact that Bush was elected for a second term made me lose all faith in this country. The fact that people are applauding the decision of Palin and all it’s transparency only reaffirms it. When you can’t afford to pay your gas bill, and your kids are crying because you can’t afford college..when you can’t afford to put gas in your car, and wonder why we have been in Iraq for 15yrs. You can say “well at least there are no more abortions and I can carry my gun!!””. Might be hard to afford bullets. Who would want to bring a child into this mess anyways?

  • Alice In Wonderland

    Everyone has a porpoise.. in this case McCain wants to lose bad.

  • Scrappy M.

    To Jim in Virginia:

  • Jazz

    I’m not sure why conservative, religious voters are so quick to call this move by McCain “brillant”. Apparently simply because she is pro-choice. Does she truly bring anything else to the table? Is this the only issue on which we as Christians base our vote? Are we to be satisfied with this bone? As a VP, she must be ready to step up immediately. This so much smacks of the Harriet Meyers’ nomination. Can you honestly believe she is the best qualified? On what basis?Has the party line achieved the status of encylical canon? Does evangelical identity mandate blind adherance to party dogma?

  • Chad

    I just love the anti-evangelical comments. YOU’RE the ONE bringing up religion because you’re so frightened of something you’ve always ran away from. We have a woman who has a large family and you fault her for this? You Dem’s are acting so old school “keep them in the house and barefoot”? The majority of American’s are tired of the attack on family values. Try showing some respect for the future VP Sarah Palin. I’m sure your grandparents would have boxed your ears if they read your comments. Stop trying to always be hypocritical….it gets old really fast. PS. Hey hippies….it time to grow up already!

  • Vicky

    Dear Dodo:They were not in Denver for the VP announcement today, they were in Ohio, where there’s a decent number of black people, none of whom support McSame

  • abel

    Obama, made a major political mistake on not getting Hillary and uniting the whole democratic party. Period!McCain, helped his campaign by picking another maverick and female who can stand up to anyone. A new inspiring pick the republicans need. She has 80 percent approval in Alaska. Obama is a smart inspiring speaker, but Palin’s actions speak louder than political words. She has fought corruption in both parties in Alaska. When she speaks she says it like it is, unlike polished career politicians. Some people can talk the talk, but Palin can walk the walk. Now the race is exciting! history will be made period with either Obama or McCain!

  • BYOW

    Why not Cindy? She’s an ‘Executive”.

  • Bobby

    Republicans need to change their name to the “Christian Extremists Party”. This new CEP is totally inept at running a fiscally responsible government. McCain chose someone with no experience only 4 days after telling his supporters that Obama is inexperienced. Seems hypocritical.

  • Youngstown, Dennis

    l-DOPA is for Parkinsonism, not for Alzhiemer’s

  • Chad

    I just love the anti-evangelical comments. YOU’RE the ONE bringing up religion because you’re so frightened of something you’ve always ran away from. We have a woman who has a large family and you fault her for this? You Dem’s are acting so old school “keep them in the house and barefoot”? The majority of American’s are tired of the attack on family values. Try showing some respect for the future VP Sarah Palin. I’m sure your grandparents would have boxed your ears if they read your comments. Stop trying to always be hypocritical….it gets old really fast. PS. Hey hippies….it time to grow up already!

  • jerry

    I also noticed that the McCain background was mostly republican white folk. Then I remembered that the democrats are the party of welfare and redistribution of the wealth.I was surprised that Obama was not surrounded on Thursday night by Robin Hood figures holding carpetbags of food stamps in english and spanish.

  • Bobby

    Republicans need to change their name to the “Christian Extremists Party”. This new CEP is totally inept at running a fiscally responsible government. McCain chose someone with no experience only 4 days after telling his supporters that Obama is inexperienced. Seems hypocritical.

  • FASCISTS

    PRO LIFERS WHO SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY AND WAR WITHOUT END. HYPOCRITES. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO LIFE AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT BORN.

  • Anonymous

    “I watched the annuoncement by McCain as he introduced Palin. I was focused on the background, the people in the audience. All white faces every one of them. Obama had 80,000 faced of all colors in a stadium. “I guess McCain must have reserved back seats for those face-covered women (a lesson learned from Obama). LOL

  • George

    I’m angered, and surprised at this pick for VP. I’ve long respected McCain. That respect has turned to outrage. How dare you John McCain! You’re putting our country at risk at such a crucial time. What arrogance! You have the right to bet the farm as long as it’s your farm. This is our country you’re gambling with – your prison camp stint won’t cover this debt buddy boy. You’ve lost my vote.

  • I<anonymous

    There is a Youtube video of Palin speaking about the ethics investigation against her. She was also asked in June if she would accept a VP nomination if asked. She said (in her own words) that she did’nt think so and she did not know what the Vice President of America does. THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR ON THE JOB TRAINING!!!

  • Inkfingers

    Young dude,Our country was NOT founded by Christian men, but by “rationalists” (Thomas Paine), atheists (Benjamin Franklin, John Adams) and Unitarians (John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson).This woman advocates the teaching of “creationism” in public schools. (Read: vouchers). Think about that one, folks.

  • nolan

    mccain chose her not because she is a leader but because she will get him votes in areas he cant. can you picture this woman sitting down at a table with putin?

  • TEB, Houston

    I can’t believe some of the things being posted here about Palin! I mean here is a lady of high moral character and political experience (especially for her young and energetic age) that is not being given any credit because you feel her appointment is only an attempt to capture the evangelical and Hillary vote!!!! Well run her into the ground if you like but at least she is willing to go into the ground in her own backyard to make America less dependant on foreign oil. And I gaurantee you she has a lot more experience in Alaska at what the environmental impact, if any, would be than the folks in Washington!When you go to the polls in November don’t just vote your party or an ideaology! Weed through the propaganda because that is being thrown at both candidates especially the DEM (Snopes can help there). Vote for substance, experience, character, and a presidential and VP team with a CLEAR plan at how they will implement what they are serving up to you!That type of vote will make America stronger.

  • VOTER

    To Rick DeLano and his wife:As a woman, of course I want to see women treated well in society. But as an American, I want to CHOOSE who I get to vote for. The fact is plain and simple: More people chose Obama. Even with Rush Limbaugh interfering and having his people got “help” Hillary’s side, she still failed to pull it off. And SHE herself has accepted this and joined Obama.I’d like to ask all the still-disgruntled Hillary supporters: who would you rather see added to the Supreme Court in the next few years– McCain/Palin’s undoubtedly pro-life pick designed to overturn your precious Roe v. Wade? Or someone of Obama’s pick, who I BET $5 will be Hillary Clinton herself???Think about it.

  • Lynne

    Is this election merely about Pro-Life? Good lord, we have so many more issues–economic, energy, environment, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, education, to name a few. Whooee, Palin is Pro-Life–big deal! What are her positions on issues of substance that affect every American and not just the pregnant ones?? If you simply vote for a candidate based on their position on Abortion you are a simpleton and a moron.

  • Wilson

    Voters have a right to be wary of politicians who wear their extreme religion on their sleeve. George Bush believed that Jesus had personally wanted him to become President, and look where that got us: entrenched in Iraq. Divine Rule has been an outdated concept since the days of Charles II. Religion should be separated from executive rule just like Washington and Jefferson wanted it, you know, those “great Christian men who founded out nation.”

  • jy2008

    Forget that so quickly?Geraldine Ferraro is racist.

  • Kevin

    “Posted on August 29, 2008 15:40 tom: That is just the fact August 29, 2008 3:40 PM”What an intelligent fact tom. Thank you so much for your insight. It’s comments like these that further alienate those who understand politics from those who don’t, and don’t care. The ignorance and lack of participation on the part of a large percentage of the American people has had a serious role in decline of recent years. Start doing some real research on your own. If we continue to be entertained by the laughable drama put on by current politicians no progress will be made. It is time for the American people to re-establish their vigilance. We need to apply the pressure to achieve results. I comment on tom’s post because statement’s like these further the idea that this is all a joke. Its our future, our country’s future and the future of our children we are dealing with. So as November approaches, please forget “facts” like tom’s and make your decision on what is best for our communities and our nation. Go and do your own research, do NOT listen to those talking heads or tom for that matter.

  • Alex

    To our right wing Republican friends – this country was built on searation of Church and State – the piligrims were running away from the State English religon and were not about to replicate the same problems in the New World. There are no legal precedents to ban abortion – only religious once. If we adhere to separation of church and state, we can not let our religious beliefs guide our laws. The problem with defining conception as the beginning of life is the fact that birth is not assured – miscarrages, birth defects and many other issues can prevent a child birth from taking place. Nobody can prove that an early stage abortion would be a guaranteed child several month later. If the moment of conception defines a human beeing, a number of laws would have to be revisited – citizenship is one. A number of laws should be changed today as well to forbid mother to smoke, drink, participate in sports or any activity that can harm an unborn. As a society, we choose not to do this.Why religious right chooses to focus on something, like aborton, that is not even well defined in the Bible is unclear to me. Why they do not rally for the laws that the Bible state clearly – help thy neigbour – is not clear either. I would expect religious people to push the laws to help poor and sick, but it is only the unborn that seem to be on their minds – never mind the living.

  • Mr. Sticky

    An older, nationally established Republican Presidential candidate (running for the second time, I might add) has a problem: he’s lacking support from women, pro-life evangelicals, and the far-right ideologues of his party. In a move that seems like a band-aid placed on a failing levee…or perhaps a brilliant maneuver knowing how many Americans are issue-voters unable to see beyond their one pet cause…he selects a young, fresh-faced, attractive, profoundly pro-life Christian in order to bolster support in those aforementioned lacking areas.Perhaps you think I’m talking about McCain/Palin ’08, but I just gave you a brief synopsis of Bush/Quayle ’88.Washington, DC has become Hollywood, folks: no new ideas, just sequels getting pumped out because they’ve worked before…no matter how bad an idea they were the first time around, and no matter how much worse they are the second time. Critically speaking they are horrible decisions…but SOMEBODY is making money off of them, and so they continue.Jefferson once said, “every generation needs a new revolution.” It’s been 20 years, my friends…repetition ain’t exactly revolution. Let’s try to see a bigger picture for once or we will bear witness to the fall of the American Empire in our lifetimes.

  • dcp

    Nolan: can you picture this woman sitting down at a table with putin?Yes I can! The question is why you’re having such a hard time. Is the skirt making the picture too fuzzy?

  • Stan G

    Q. Sarah, are you at all concerned that Global Warming will cause Polar Bears to go extinct in your lifetime?A. Of course I am. They’re really great on the Barbeque.

  • Hope

    I think we need more “inexperienced” politicians in Washington to shake things up – look how well the “Experienced” ones have done for us. At least she has run an organization other than a Staff and a Campaign. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. I am looking forward to what she has to say.

  • Michael

    ‘”Probably Governor (Sarah) Palin of Alaska, because she’s a person of strong faith,” Land said. “She just had her fifth child, a Downs Syndrome child.’It’s very nice, but sounds like a show window VP. Obviously she won’t be involved in any real decisions (if elected). That leaves us with McCain who is just a puppet of senator Lieberman.No, thank you!IMO, the best vote this time is NO VOTE.

  • What did THEY say..

    “The sun revolves around the Evangelical church” – Copernicus

  • mc

    Obama touts his mom as a christian woman from the heartland…….what baloney……he does say she was a great influence in his life…..one of the few things I believe that he says…..however she was an atheist, marxist opposed to the values of the heartland that Obama is trying to tie himself to….I believe she was a strong influence in his life and that is why he attended Wright’s church for 20 years…..remember Marxists do not care for the working class…..they just see the working class as a tool to use to get their way…WANT SOCIALISM—-VOTE OBAMA!

  • Cam

    Ignoring the facts does not change the facts.1) The GOP does NOT have the first woman on a presidential ticket.2) Being Pro-Life and Pro-War is a hypocrisy (Palin)3) McCain has trailed in the polls from the start. He has tried negative ads and now a rather unknown Republican woman on the ticket to swing voters. Understandable since talking about his positions on the issues will only alienate the majority of voters.Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.

  • TB

    “I am Catholic and I am voting for Obama! And a woman! I think that people who are voting for this little pair needs to see what she is really about… like check out the article about how she was or is under an investigation with something to do about her ethics?! This country doesnt need another person in power with an ethics problem!”The “ethics problem” stems from her sister’s divorce from a man who threatened to kill her father and tazzered her son. In the divorce he signed papers stating his records could be released. Now he’s mad his records got released. Before you use all of your !’s, cut the Democrat outrage and actually look into the story. Sorry to burst your bubble… Besides, with as many sketchy people that Obama has associated with, I wouldn’t bring up ethics. Anyone who can be connected to that many sketchy people can be concluded to be sketchy himself.

  • PROUD DEMOCRATIC WOMAN

    McStain has once again proved that Obama/Biden is the best man for the job…the old perv should be embarrassed by his motives…pathetic at minimum!

  • Michael

    ‘”Probably Governor (Sarah) Palin of Alaska, because she’s a person of strong faith,” Land said. “She just had her fifth child, a Downs Syndrome child.’It’s very nice, but sounds like a show window VP. Obviously she won’t be involved in any real decisions (if elected). That leaves us with McCain who is just a puppet of senator Lieberman.No, thank you!IMO, the best vote this time is NO VOTE.

  • Best

    Many white American electorates are immature, ignorant, selfish, racists and still live with racist mentality and practice racism which is considered as one of the greatest sins in Christianity. These so called secular Christians get filthy drunk with alcohol, gamble, womanize, make illicit love, women dress as little and tight as possible, expose their bosoms, legs and curves to solicit males, make love in public places, carry condoms when they go to church to pray with their girl friends and mistresses, young girls as young as 10-12 give birth to illegitimate children, there is rampant incest, pornography and child molesting amongst these Christian which is so shameful.There is nothing to be proud of being a Christian and a hypocrite. McCain dumped his disable wife to marry a rich woman and that is totally against Christianity.

  • Darla Dane-Meyers

    Sara Palin seems like a fantastic choice. I usually vote Democrat but I am frustrated by the DNC, Obama, and the media. Besides, if all blacks (95%) can vote for Barack, why I guess we women can simply vote for one of ours. That’s what I’m doing in any case.

  • lil_bama_mama

    The fact that John McCain would make such a reckless choice for VP really confirms the theory that this man has no respect for America, Women and the office of Commander and Chief. It is truly an insult to me as an American to see him give so little consideration to his VP select; to reduce his selection to guns, abortion and a fear of gays is outrageous!!! I am sick and tired of the direction this country is going and in the words of Obama- “8 is enough!”I am mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore! I am officially on the bus to change. Women better wake up in this election!

  • Conservatism Lives

    Anyone who speaks of Palin’s inexperience and endorses Obama is either a fraud or a moron. She’s done more to facilitate change in 2 years than Obama’s done in a lifetime. You can degrade Alaska, Christians, or even women all you want, but that’s a fact.

  • Old John Complain

    Old John only picked Palin so he could have yet another woman half his age sitting at his feet complimenting him.

  • value voter

    who cares about recession and rising costs of living, as long as i get to keep my gun and force my will unto others, everything is fine by me.

  • Kramer

    ewowoee

  • dom

    Good point Leon: The wind was taken out of Obama’s sails with this.I don’t support Obama or McCain, but this is a homerun for McCain.He showed his willingness to step out of the box as a maverick and choose a woman VP. Conservative independents will eat that up.The VP selection may have a lot to do with motivating your group to get out and vote and demotivating your opponent’s group, not just trying to swing the undecided.Hillary got kicked to the curb for the nomination and the VP slot, in favor of old white guy Biden. Hillary supporters won’t vote for McCain because of the Palin VP selection, but might stick it to Obama by just staying home on election day.Palin though motivates evangelicals to go to the polls and vote for McCain whereas they might have stayed home. They certainly wouldn’t vote for Obama.If Palin turns out to be a good debater, the election will be another Bush-Gore squeaker, in favor of McCain.

  • Easy Ed

    How dumb is Obama? An Obama/Clinton Dream Ticket would have been INVINCIBLE! No way McCain could have come close to beating that. But no, he had to have Biden. Now McCain picks a smart, articulate, Woman and I’ll bet Obama loses because of it. He dissed Hillary and gets what he deserves.

  • AKgeo

    “Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;

  • Ronald

    When it comes to Obama, on the matter of VP. please remember that: on day after he won sufficient delegates, he had a “Secret Meeting with Hillery and we don’t know what they talk about it. Besides thatPraise the LORD because Obama is awake and doesn’t have to be reading someone else ideas and taking credit for that,like McCain does. And Obama is not thinking of destroying, invading or killing innocent people just because the have different point of views.Bush says that he is Christian, and he gets drunk and lies all the time and always like Adam, when he told GOD, the Woman you gave me made me eat that fruit… He is always blaming others for his mistakes and failure’s He never recognize his mistakesViva Obama The Next President of the United States Of America and my Brother in Christ!!!

  • jessie

    As a PUMA- I am pleased with Sarah Palin. She is one tough cookie, who has the ability to think on her own and go toe to toe with the power brokers.She became Governor of Alaska and immediately sold the “private jet” on eBay for a profit and found other jobs for her family’s “private chefs”. Her husband cooks for her family. You go- girl.She has my vote.

  • Senseless Babble

    “The Republicans now have the first presidential ticket to include a woman.” -The first presidential ticket to include a women was the Democrats in 1982 when Walter Mondale selected Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate. Instead of the word THE, did you mean to write THEIR?

  • Refuse of America

    re: old dude:”religion does not belong in politics.” Typical zionist, or morally bankrupt hogwash-speak. This country’s “politics” had and continues to have religion as it’s basis. All you Zionists and your atheist, ex-Christian victims can cry about this all you like, but so long as there are Christians in this country (which coincidentally was also founded by them) then you will never be able to purge it’s Christian faith no matter how much you take control of the media and spread your immoral message. Our current times also show that with politics and religion it is not an either-or situation. They can be “separate” in name just to calm all you outcasts down, yet both religion and politics continue to be equally valid.

  • Anonymous

    The strongest choice McCain could have made for VP was Colin Powell. The next-strongest choice would have been Condi Rice. One assumes he didn’t pick them because he needs desperately to shake off anything that has to do with gw bush.His choice of Palin is disastrous in so many ways. Where does one start? Inexperience? Not familiar with the issues and wrong on the ones she is familiar with? Resurrecting the age issue for McCain? Reinforcing the bad judgment issue for McCain? Solidifying the idea that McCain has a bad temper/mean streak and picked Palin in part so he could rub Romney’s nose in it?Palin is a lily that came without gild. McCain has handed the election to the Ds.

  • Travis

    Obama is a phony moron. No further explanation necessary.

  • DFC102

    pat: //Yes indeed. While Iran goes nuclear, while the dollar disappears, while oil runs out and while China take over leadership in the world, that’s what we need. Fresh and fun.

  • Mr. Sticky

    A PUMA??? I thought you were referred to as “cougars.” ;-)Okay…okay…back to your regularly scheduled serious topic of discussion.

  • tom

    Thanks John!You just gauranteed an Obama victory!

  • Laura, Charlotte NC

    I am a woman and I will NOT vote for John McCain because he chose a woman to be his vice presidential running mate. I will vote for those who will make the best decisions about the issues we face as a nation. To me that is clearly Barack Obama and Joe Biden.We have serious work to do. It is going to take solid and intelligent leadership to repair the mistakes of the Bush administration. We cannot afford to vote for McCain and Palin because, if you look at their records, and not at their claims as mavericks, they have supported more of Bush’s poor decisions than opposed them. It is time to have courage and vote for those who will consider what is best for our country, and not for those who are like us only on the surface.

  • Dave

    I will not have my life spelled out by a woman.

  • Anonymous

    you all should have been aborted.

  • Marc

    McCain simply chose a woman to be his Vice President simply to encourage Hillary Clinton supporters to vote for his Republican ticket. Plain and Simple Politics– “get me into that office, and here’s my ticket!” What other reason is there?

  • Hans

    The real story isn’t Palin. The real story is Obama/Biden and Gustav. But Obama/Biden will bring significant and meanigful change to America, while Gustav just threatens to be a replay of Katrina and the failed policies of Bush/McCain era. So is Palin. Sorry John. We just don’t buy it. We want real change, not a farce.

  • mk

    WATCH THE VIDEO OF McCAIN INTRODUCING PALIN !!HAH HA HA!

  • 4v4

    Conservative, religious, old white men with hot chicks FTW!

  • Marcia7

    Joe Biden is the Catholic person I want one heartbeat away from the presidency.

  • stubabie

    So many people are so confused. It really is amazing. So many rely on the black-is-white theory. The Christians are really the evil ones. The Americans are really the oppressors. Big business is really running everything. Treating people like the adults they are only shows you don’t care about them. And this refusal to understand the realities of abortion and the realities of war in a dangerous world is odd. You take some false high road, seeking to justify your support for aborting unborn human embryos and fetuses by comparing it erroneously to a willingness among most of us to defend ourselves and our allies against aggression in the world. Please devote some time to straightening out your pretzel minds.

  • Lucien BONNET

    RE:

  • hunt&fish

    heck yeah, so what if mccain has a bunch of houses….obama lives in a million $$$$ house and so does his former pastor wright…..you really think they care about the poor…..yeah…..as long as the $$$$$$$$ keep coming in…..want to live in russia……vote obama!

  • Mark The Shark

    Great choice! I sure here a lot of braying on here and other forums. Well, until all the facts on this woman are in I suggest the the party of the JackA$$ keep the braying to a minimum. Barack Obama has has never managed a Dairy Queen let alone a country. I think if you have to pick a VP who is stronger and more experienced than you to be credible you have real problems. I predict women with common sense will vote for her in droves. Obama, you in some trouble son!

  • Tom in California

    After criticizing Obama for alleged inexperience, McCain chooses Sarah Palin as his running mate? She’s a nice enough lady, I guess. But she’s not even remotely qualified.

  • Sparky

    It’s funny that McCain would come out with this pick today. It only magnifies the things that Obama spoke about in his speech last night.One side is pro choice and the other isn’t so let’s come together and do something about preventing unwanted pregnancies.Why can’t we support the 2nd amendment and keep AK47s out of the hands of criminals?Obama speaks of change and making things better, the other side keeps carping on the same stagnant philosophical differences.But the real issue is what wasn’t mentioned here, it is that Palin came out in an interview and admitted that the Republican party is corrupt and it needs to be cleaned up. Why would we willingly vote for an admittedly corrupt party? How about they clean up their act first so we can worry about cleaning up what they have already screwed up. I’ve also seen the notes about her being investigated as well. So between McCain and the Keating 5 and her well they are just gonna have a party now won’t they?

  • brad

    So we have the ticket, “Beauty and the Beast”. Nice.McCain, who if he wins will be the oldest president, and his VP with two years experience. Nice.The Republicans just tossed out the “Obama doesn’t have enough experience” argument – I wonder if they’ll continue to be blind to their own hypocrisy.

  • Robt. Braam

    Ms. Palin will not long remain the Republican candidate.This is a shame.Cut her loose and start again.

  • Anonymous

    go read some more fairy tales and tell others how to live their life. face it, you are basing your life on fantasy and in the end there will be nothing for you. this country is on it’s way out and it is all your fault.

  • Eville John

    With the current abuse-of-power charges against this Hillary wannabe, Palin is a perfect choice for John McSame and his plans to continue the Bush/Cheney abuse-of-power style of governance. “The Grand Old Party ain’t grand anymore, it’s just old”.

  • Randy N

    Explain to me how Obama has any more experience than Palin? All Obama has done is “act presidential” for the past year, so everyone has come to think he’s presidential material. He certainly has not accomplished more than Governor Palin. So, for everyone freaking out over her inexperience, get some perspective! She’s a governor, not a senator. Guess what the background is of most presidents? Governor. Way to go!

  • Ryan from Cornwall NY

    A vice president should certainly be more than just a pretty face or a certain religion or gender to win over votes. Biden was picked because he has much experience in all areas and if something were to happen to Obama, Biden would be ready to lead America. Palin, however, lacks all experience. She’s a nobody! I just wish people would realize the turmoil the country is in and the future we face. Economy should be the number one thought on all Americans’ minds. Just because you are wealthy or live in a town where people are not struggling does not mean it’s not real. I am a 22 year old senior college student going to be nearly 100 grand in debt when I am finished spending roughly 600 dollars a month on gas. McCain wants to offer us no sort of energy/gas tax breaks to offset the steep incline of oil. A friend of mind recently had to quit her job to take care of her ailing because she could not afford to have anyone or any facility to help. Uphill battles middle America faces. Look at the top wealthiest people in the country.. Hell look at the top 1000 richest people in 2007 it was 1 billion dollars got you on that list. In 2008 you need 1.3 billion dollars to be on that list. That is a 30% increase. The rich keep getting richer. These are not people creating jobs for you either. The people getting richer are Wall Street guru’s who got together to invest in another company. They then horde their earnings instead of starting companies that create jobs. You think after billionaires made their first And please stop thinking of Gender or Race for this election. McCain lost to Bush and most of the country hates or at least realizes what a bad job he is doing. And now you want to vote for a lesser man/off spring of the same administration. Just please look at the greater picture and the greater good of the country. We can not afford another 4 years of disastrous economics which McCain has quoted Economics is his weakest area. Come on you swing states muster up the courage to take back our country and help the people you see on a day to day basis and the ones you do not. OBAMA/BIDEN!

  • Sparky

    No Brad they won’t because just like the evangelicals they are blind to their own mirror.

  • jerry d

    hey ms. clinton if you come over from the dark side and join the Republican. One day you might just vice president

  • disgusted

    McCain’s senility is on display. With him and this woman in the White House, they’ll have to bring back Karl Rove to manage.

  • Sara B

    I fear that Steve in Scottsdale is correct-

  • Lisa Deland

    Some have reminded us how ninety-five pecent of blacks are voting for Barack. At least they are unified! As a Hillary supporter and a woman, I say let’s go for it ladies! Vote for Palin and set up the race in 2012.

  • Thorninurside

    A time-worn proverb says, “Those whom the gods would destroy they first make mad”. No doubt, a few of the knuckle-dragging beer swillers will applaud the choice, but the pathetic attempt to exploit the supposed “army” of disappointed feminists serves only to show the bare face of desperation. If this is the kind of wisdom we can expect from McCain I’ll stay home and listen to replays of his complaints about Obama’s “inexperience”. Does this mean he’ll get no Xmas card from Romney now ?

  • connie

    Okay,here we go again,The Republicans declared “We now have the first Republican woman vp nominee”not the first woman vp nominee.Maybe you should have been paying attention to Geraldine F. earlier when interviewed..To about no God crap in politics, this country is gonna beg God to be in politics when we look up and see a nuke warhead coming at us,guess what, its gonna be toooo late.Being a member of NRA is important because the constitution says that she and any non-felon has a right to bear arms.Again, I say, when terrorists open fire on cities again in our country(since Slick Willie let them gain so much ground under his 8 year watch and GW inherited his mess,and don’t forget Rwandan genocide,also under his watch,do I need to go on?)you are gonna wish you had 10 guns with plenty of ammo.As far as Armageddon, it’s coming the day America turns on Israel, and then you are gonna run next door to that Jesus freak you’ve cursed for years and guess what, they won’t be there because they’ll be raptured and you’ll be left behind and as far as Jesus not carrying a gun, he didn’t need a gun and still doesn’t, He’s God and he is coming back with a sword in his mouth with his army and yes, this time He will be mad and we’ll have Armageddon.For fun, read Revelations,what has already taken place and what is to be, it may surprise you to know that Obama is so slick and charasmatic, he actually fits the description of the Anti-Christ. Now I didn’t say he is…so don’t get nuts on me. Only God(Jesus)Holy Spirit.they are all the same, knows how this will play out. I don’t want anyone left behind, but we are spiraling,but my God is still in control!!!

  • robert

    american evangelicals and all persons of faith are charged with considering issues that affect the larger family of humankind, a consideration that most of the world currently feels is greatly and deeply lacking. if you disagree with this, or feel that it is not significant or that america gets a pass on it behavior globally for the past eight years, and that the nearly universal loss of standing of the country under the current administration is mere petty foreign grousing — than there is little point in continuing to read this. but if the current us posture and need for making amends seems a reasonable need, then the choice of a friendly local governor who is loving to her children and popular and charming and even who appeals to pro-life consituencies, and is doubtless a good egg, but who no serious person can feel has the experience to deal with the currently ravaged and dangerous world, a world far far less stable than that of even a cravenly ‘balancing’ cipher-choice like dan quayle, then those persons of faith must ask themselves seriously what kind of loving of their neighbor, in the largest sense, they are really participating in when supporting this choice. ditto for mccain himself.

  • Hillbilly girl

    I’m a lifelong Democrat who’s voting Republican for the first time in her life. This VP choice cements it.

  • attacking another woman?

    if 90% of Alaskans like Palin then we should all shut up and give her a chance and not just regurge the rhetoric of our party.Don’t let the Dems trash another woman…

  • Marvin

    The selection of Mrs. Palin as partner to McCain ranckles on the Liberals because the Republicans now have a unified team. The issue of Palin’s gender is second to her ethical stance, anti big government, pro-drilling and pro life policy. She is also a very strong woman, something the Democratic Party ( not to be confused with many Democrats) cannot tolerate.As to Mrs. Palin’s credentials, as Governer of Alaska she has had to deal with international transportation issues ( ever heard of Canada?) and international trade issues ( how ’bout that Russian fishing fleet). Remember, experience isn’t just gathered in office, rather in all of life. She has been to Iraq as often as Obama, but not as a rock star, as a person — . The vice presidential debate will be interesting. Biden is in a battle with Sarah Baracuda, and believe me, He will remember THIS one. There’s not Failin’ with Palin.

  • Winston Smith

    McCain just handed the election to Obama on a silver platter.You want me to vote for a 73 year old man and his pick for VP is someone I’ve never heard of and apparently has 2 years of being a lap dog for the Bush administration? No thanks.Say it with me: President ObamaYou expect me to believe that the person “one heartbeat away” from the presidency should be a person I’ve never heard of?? I’m sure McCain will attempt to “introduce us” to this person, but I pay close attention to politics and this choice is a blatant pandering job. Just weeks ago he was saying that the most important job of the VP is to check the daily health of the president. Last I checked McCain’s health was an issue in this election.Like I said, McCain just handed Obama the election on a silver platter.See you in 2012

  • J-N0D

    Yeah the only real change Obama Binladin is going to realy make is that he would be the first black president, that he is against this countries values. AND raising TAXES to pay for health care. But all of you who vote for Obama Binladen are the ones who want to sell out your country. I would Vote for GEN. Colon Powell before obama if he running for president to be the first black man in office.

  • Stepehn Cramer

    This has effectively taken the experience issue off the table. If the Dems waste their time pointing out HER inexperience, it only allows the Reps to contrast Obama with McCain. If the Reps bend their pretzel logic, as some already are, that she has ‘executive’ experience, not just legislative experience, then they have to face the criticism that she was the mayor of a town of less than seven thousand and has less than two years of experience as the governor of the 47th ranked state, with less than .22% of the nation’s citizenry, and, if I’m not mistaken, a part time state government.This is a straw horse–there is a sharp divide on the issues and the way the two candidates and campaigns are conducting themselves. If people are unable to discern the difference and make a reasonable and intelligent choice without the misrepresentations and vitriol that seem to abound on both sides, we do a disservice to the process and our country.I am extremely proud and profoundly distressed by the political process of this great country–when did civility become extinct?

  • Father Tex

    I believe in God out of fear, which is why I believe in McCain. The terrorists are going to attack us again sooner or later and all we need to be on edge, expecting death around every corner, just like McCain. I’m glad McCain picked a God fearing Evangelist to bring up the slack, because, God knows, our interpretation of the universal being of existence is the Right one. Anyone who thinks otherwise hates America and hates freedom and should be silenced slowly and expensively. Do not let other cultures influence you! They are merely tricks of the Devil!

  • 4v4

    What 70 year old wouldn’t want a 40 year old hot babe to cruise around in his newly acquired Airforce-1 jet?

  • D. Grant Haynes

    It is well that John McCain has selected a thoroughly obnoxious woman to be his vice presidential running mate.Sarah Palin hunts and fishes and opposes abortion. She is an alleged “soccor mom” and a right wing Christian Evangelical. She represents everything in this society that is wrong with it–everything that I abhor–everything that has fueled Bush’s eight years of aberrant misrule.Though McCain’s choice is obviously as cynical as Sarah Palin is unfit (he hopes to pull away a few disaffected Hillary supporters), let the dichotomy remain clear:Sarah Palin v. Joseph Biden as a possible leader of this nation in a worst case scenario. Palin lacks every possible qualification that Biden possesses.Now, I trust–nay, I pray (you Christian Fundamentalists have no corner on prayer) that Barack Obama and Joe Biden do not begin to track to the right in an effort to counter Palin’s appeal to Fundamentalists. Gore tried that approach in 2000 and it did not work. Kerry tried it in 2004 and it did not work.Stand strong and resolute, Obama and Biden.Call a spade a spade. Speak the hard truths that Let the ignorant, the reactionary, the greedy, the selfish, the “Amurka first” crowd of born againers and Republican greed hounds–depart from your ranks. They would have been appealed to by McCain in the end anyway. You can’t court them. You don’t need them. Do not prostitute yourselves.I believe enough intelligent Americans will exist still in November to elect Barack Obama so that he may begin to implement the changes in America outlined in his brilliant acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention August 28.America cannot afford four more years of warmed over Bush policies in a McCain-Palin administration.Such would be a nightmare and a disaster for our nation. We have been through enough since 2000. Four more years of the same would be wholly unacceptable.Enough is enough.D. Grant Haynes

  • John H

    People can compromise on prinicples and find common ground.This cannot be said about ANY religion. People will not compromise if they feel they are letting God down or that God is watching them or that God will punish them.That is why religion has killed more people than it has ever helped.

  • Mr. Sticky

    “Some have reminded us how ninety-five pecent of blacks are voting for Barack. At least they are unified! As a Hillary supporter and a woman, I say let’s go for it ladies! Vote for Palin and set up the race in 2012.Ummm…doesn’t this sort of presuppose McCain doesn’t make it through his term or decides not to run for President a second term? What exactly do you know that we don’t? 😉

  • A Son od God

    Abortion is not a political issue. It’s a life issue. If the laws were reversed, abortions would be performed illegally. To stop abortion, we need to invest in our education. McCain or any other republican will do nothing to change Roe v Wade, because republican candidates need it as an issue to gain votes. I am a devout christian and I am tired of being used and abused by the Republican Party. GW is the worst president in our history. Obama is a once in a lifetime leader. I am praying GOD will help us all understand the importance of making the right choice, because only then can we stop the senseless killings of our unborn children. Education! Obama is our only hope! Invest in America’s future instead of America’s wealthy elite!

  • Ms Rainey

    For those who want to cite that African Americans voted for Obama because he is black, that is very ridiculous and insulting. Basically you are saying that black people don’t have the intelligence to vote based on the issues and the person that they feel will help them. Why is the race of the candidate that an African American votes for an issue? Have people not voted for white men for many years and no one ever said it was because they are white? If you are annoyed that black people are supposedly only voting for Barack because he is black, why are you not equally annoyed that white people are NOT voting for Barack because he is black? That is wayyyy more ridiculous. In this day and time where racial equally is not close to existing (ask my children who are called very nasty names at their school even in 2008)it will never exist when people say ignorant things like that. I have voted every election since I was 18 years old. I am almost 40. Oh and I voted for plenty of white men, and it was’nt just because they were white.

  • MoisesFG

    In my opinion she is a good choice and I think is time to stop the personal attacks to people.We are talking serious business and I think if a person is well educated and have some government experience it is. look at the Clinton presidential era, he was not the candidate for those looking “experience” in a candidate but look at his legacy, the same happens with Kennedy in the 60’s. In addition I want to say that no one in politics represent the Christian evangelicals in USA. I am a moderate evangelical and I am for Obama / Biden because it is my conviction after analyzing several facts. Pat Robertson, James Dobson or any other religious leader are not a fair representation of the American christians, they are only representing their personal interests groups, not Christ church which is compose of people from all color, race, background. And again, I am a moderate christian who thinks we need to rebuild among other things the way Christianity is show to all people where sometimes it looks like we Christians are supporters of only one party when the opposite is what is really true.I also respect anyone that choose to vote for McCain and Palin for what they are and not because they belong to certain party that try to rob the identity of His church.Moises FG

  • Disgusted

    If McCain wanted a woman VP, Kay B. Hutchinson was available. A governor? Mitt Romney, who has actually done something in office, including dealing with the politics of health care. McCain’s candidate cannot be compared to Hillary. Guarantees a slogan ridden, vacuous campaign at the time we can least afford it.

  • Former Republican

    Yuck! Are you kidding me? What sexism! Will women vote for a woman just because she’s a woman? What about whats best for the country?

  • Anonymous

    hahahhahahhahaha!!!it must be nice to have no grasp of reality and live in world of fantasy. if i lived in your world i would have unicorns and puppies that never grow up. raptured. haaha, you miss are an idiot. connie:Okay,here we go again,The Republicans declared “We now have the first Republican woman vp nominee”not the first woman vp nominee.Maybe you should have been paying attention to Geraldine F. earlier when interviewed..To about no God crap in politics, this country is gonna beg God to be in politics when we look up and see a nuke warhead coming at us,guess what, its gonna be toooo late.Being a member of NRA is important because the constitution says that she and any non-felon has a right to bear arms.Again, I say, when terrorists open fire on cities again in our country(since Slick Willie let them gain so much ground under his 8 year watch and GW inherited his mess,and don’t forget Rwandan genocide,also under his watch,do I need to go on?)you are gonna wish you had 10 guns with plenty of ammo.As far as Armageddon, it’s coming the day America turns on Israel, and then you are gonna run next door to that Jesus freak you’ve cursed for years and guess what, they won’t be there because they’ll be raptured and you’ll be left behind and as far as Jesus not carrying a gun, he didn’t need a gun and still doesn’t, He’s God and he is coming back with a sword in his mouth with his army and yes, this time He will be mad and we’ll have Armageddon.For fun, read Revelations,what has already taken place and what is to be, it may surprise you to know that Obama is so slick and charasmatic, he actually fits the description of the Anti-Christ. Now I didn’t say he is…so don’t get nuts on me. Only God(Jesus)Holy Spirit.they are all the same, knows how this will play out. I don’t want anyone left behind, but we are spiraling,but my God is still in control!!!

  • Pandering John McCain

    The maverick is a pandering hypocrite!What gall.Obama just won the election.

  • John H

    Lol @ father Tex. Very good

  • G L

    GOOD JOB TO TERRA BIT, COULDN”T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!

  • where are we headed

    instead of arguing of these upcoming elected officials, we ought to consider ourselves. Does this nation turn around because of Mcain and Obama or does it turn around with us. Do we believe in killing unborn children, do we believe in holding on to ignorance in racism, do we desire to give a good future to our children, do we agree with that phrase on all our currency that says, “In God we Trust”. I know that i need to take a strong look at what i believe is right above hoping i’m voting correctly. This nation is heading in a downward spiral and its not because of clinton, bush, mccain, or obama. I need to spend less arguing and more time changing my own life and pray that the officials who are soon to be elected will lead us in the right direction.

  • HA Ha Haa

    McCain is insulting to women everywhere.This pick is a joke.

  • See you in 2012

    Republicans just threw away the election.

  • Aaron

    Wow, what a bunch of vicious jerks.I wasn’t very excited about the VP selection until I heard about Sarah Palin. She seems very interesting and has a great, however short, track record and has nothing to be ashamed of.Somehow, people who have never heard of her are instantly prepared to make crude, vicious comments about her. The Democratic party claims to hold the high ground on diversity, but I guess it’s only on their terms. Obama/Biden only promises to drag America to their Left. The same OLD left philosophy of Stalin and Mao. God help us if they succeed. I’m not going to make crude comments about those idiots, but I do care about their plans for our country.

  • Anonymous

    “WATCH THE VIDEO OF McCAIN INTRODUCING PALIN !!HAH HA HA!”Another Obama’s political gay? Why watch McCain when Palin is on spot?

  • Keating Five

    McCain should have just picked his multi-millionaire trophy wife.At least he knows he can shove her around.

  • Neo Connie

    Another neocon lapdog just a heartbeat away? No way.

  • Lewis B. Sckolnick

    Sarah Palin brings a wealth of experience in government at the local and state level having served in many fields. Those who are critiquing her lack of experience will never have a fraction of the experience she already has.

  • Jesus

    Everyone please stop fighting…I’m f***ing serious..

  • teferet

    It is about time we had the elite (not elitists) in power. One of the best predictors of success at work is the type and quality of education.Take a look at the educational resumes:McCain: Obama:Biden:Palin:

  • eww

    although he has picked a fundie freak, don’t forget that he is still john mccain and he still has some big freaky thing growing on the side of his face.

  • teferet

    It is about time we had the elite (not elitists) in power. One of the best predictors of success at work is the type and quality of education.Take a look at the educational resumes:McCain: Obama:Biden:Palin:

  • Guzzler

    The article forgot to mention how relieved BIG OIL will be to have another friend in the White House – just in case McCain falters in carrying out the Bush oil legacy. It’s too perfect with Palin and her husband both having major longstanding interests in oil and petroleum. Any McCain funding concerns will sure be looking up with all of that Exxon Mobil $$$$$$$$$ to back this team up. Genius!

  • The Almighty

    Stop this blogging nonsense right now or burn in hell

  • Hans

    4V4 I You believe in god. But why would you believe in anything out of fear? As Frederick the Great observed many years ago, “ god is on the side of those with the biggest cannons. Unless we Americans start believing in ourselves and our ability to build a better country and world, god won’t come to your aid. Why would you vote for a candidate out of fear, when you can vote for a candidate who represents hope? Obama does. Think about it!

  • Pale In

    McCain just lost the election. This pick would be hilarious if it weren’t so insulting to women.

  • G.W.

    I’ve always wanted to meet Sharon Osbourne.

  • Marvin

    To John H. You this about religion how??? Just to clarify one point, God will not punish you because He loves you. You will punish you. He gave us free will, and you can exercise it to your benefit or detriment. That, sir, is up to you. Lucifer, the most beautiful angel in Heaven had free will, Eve and Adam had free will. Not following the rules, condemned them, not God. Besides, take a look at the Jesuits, a good deal of modern science and medicine can be attributed to them. Did people kill in the name of religion, you bet your seet boots they did. But those were people with personal agenda, and that includes certain Popes, ministers, Rabbis, etc. But by and large, you are wrong, the formalized religion we all seem to crave has saved more lives then all the abherrant religious idiots in all of history have sacrificed.

  • Melanie Strong

    “For those who want to cite that African Americans voted for Obama because he is black, that is very ridiculous and insulting. Basically you are saying that black people don’t have the intelligence to vote based on the issues and the person that they feel will help them.” Memo to Rainy:

  • Lewis B. Sckolnick

    And who was the last student Harvard Law School flunked out?

  • Anonymous

    when can we start shipping all the evangelicals in this nation back to hell?

  • George Washington

    I created a country for the separation of church and state. Duh!!

  • eomcmars

    just curious, but what exactly is the relationship between being a true believer and being a member of the NRA? I don’t recall reading anything in the bible about carrying heat, though I do remember lots of stuff about JC’s softer side. but then the evangelicals also seem to think that the bible preaches against taxes too.

  • George Washington

    I created a country for the separation of church and state. Duh!!

  • MoisesFg

    I disagree with CHAD comments and other people here because I think they are too prejudice.I think that McCain election for running mate is great and represent a new face of the old School Republican party. But because she is a woman and have five children it does not mean I need to vote for her. She, I think is a very nice candidate and I think McCain catch everyone out of balance by choosing her. She have what it take to run for such position but, it does not means she represent a motivation for the evangelicals of USA. The same I think is true about some religious leaders we do have in our country. This or any election is not about religion or personal position but about what is best for the USA and I think our country is in very bad shape right now and needs some real leadership to help restore trust and relationship with other countries around the World. We need other people / countries to help USA to come back again as a World leader. If you think we are the strong leader we were some years ago please check by yourself the position of the dollar against other currencies (NZ dollar, GBP, EU, Canadian Dollar, Australian Dollar) and then let’s talk about the real thing.Also I think is time we tell leaders like James Dobson, Pat Robertson and other alike that they do not tell us how we vote and that we do not need to follow their personal religious agendas that are more divisive than looking for the unity of all Christian and citizens of our great nation.Jesus church is from people around the World with different backgrounds, ideas, color, race, etc.MoiseFG

  • DISGUSTED

    “in a nutshell……she is qualified as Governor (women or not) of Alaska and will help the Conservative ticket. She has more experience than Prince “no plan” Obama.”Miss Wasilla has served less than two years as governor. She’s been mayor of a small town. She may have many virtues, but she is clearly not more experienced than Obama. Nutshell, indeed.

  • Boots

    This is for all republicans and Democrats that are worry about Sarah Palin taking over the presidency. Iwant you all to know I am a 73 year old senior citizenand I don’t planing dying in the next 4 to 8 years and if I do,she will have more experience learning the job as VP than Obama would as the president.Beside she deosen’t have the baggage Obama does.

  • Keating Five

    Most of you supporters never heard of Palin until 20 minutes ago. Now you love her, support her and want her a heartbeat away from the presidency.

  • John H

    Marvin. Brother I have been where you are. It ain’t real. It’s all in your head. And it was all just in other peoples heads when they decided to kill for it.Religion is the ultimate obsessive compulsive disorder.

  • Eddie

    Its interesting to me that Republican strategists view women as an uninformed, homogenous, and self-interested group. They think that the pick of Governor Palin will attract the disaffected supporters of Senator Clinton. A meager review of her resume shows that shes anti-choice, connected to the biggest oil firms in the world, and totally inexperienced. And Mccain supports think that women wont see through this smoke screen they are creating to try and win female voters, by putting a wolf in sheeps clothing (in this case a skirt) on the ticket. It just reinforces how disconnected Senator McCain really is with reality.

  • I<anonymous

    TB:

  • MoisesFG

    And I go for Obama / Biden because to me they are the real deal. Sorry for those Christians (as I am one)that think Obama represent the evil or is not a right candidate.MoisesFG

  • Lewis B. Sckolnick

    Come on over and join the Republican Party and get away from the past and all of the failed dreams of that other party.

  • Pandering Pick

    Pandering to Clinton voters is the last straw.I’ll never vote for McCain or his inexperienced neocon lapdog.Way to lose the election, grandpa.

  • rljmsilver

    When John Mccain first won the Republican nomination for President, I was concerned that while he was a war hero like Bob Dole, he would fail for the same reasons. The selection of Palin is brilliant. She is strong, decisive and smart. At least she can build her resume in the second position, unlike Obama who will do it on the job as President. I have run a number of corporations and it is alot harder to make the tough decisions every day as manager than it is to just sit on an elected board and just vote and leave, or just criticize someone else’s decisions and actions. There is alot more involved than either teaching a law class or being a community activist and organizer. Election Over. McCain=53% Obama=46% Others=1%

  • Joe Republican

    I never heard of this lady until 10 minutes ago but I support her and she will be ready to lead if McCain dies.

  • Hans

    So, John McCain picks a woman. What a farce? Is that change, real change? Didn’t Fritz Mondale do that decades ago? Get real John. Real change is more than a cosmetic choice. It has to be rooted in conviction. As Lincoln might have said, you may be able to fool some of our women some of the time, but you won’t be able to fool all of them all of the time.

  • President Obama

    Obama just won the election.Thanks, see you in 2012.

  • Anonymous

    “This is the REAL WORLD and frankly I am ashamed to be associated with other Hillary supporters who would be turncoats and support McCain for this reason. Hillary is bigger than that, and you should be, too.”Hillary is a seasoned politician. Obama is not. He and his wife and mentors are a clique of America hating far-left freaks who are showing a veneer of acceptability and underneath they are vipers. America is seeing through these deceivers. The Clintons see through them. Did you listen to Hillary’s speech at the convention. She said not a word of personal affinity or support for the Obamas. She and Bill did only what they had to.I am voting for McCain.

  • Disgusted

    rljmsilver:And John McCain has been a CEO?

  • MoisesFg

    Lewis,The republican party is the representation of the most ugly things that happens to our great country today. Unless you are a millionaire or own oil wells I do not see the point in your comments.MoisesFg

  • Anonymous

    i wanna know where in the bible does it say you have to be deaf, blind, dumb, completely intolerant, and ridiculously self righteous to be a christian?

  • Obama

    Yes I am the anti-christ but keep it under your hat.

  • Another McCain Insult

    This would be great except that no one has ever heard of her and John McCain has a history of degrading women, including his wife.Congrats Dems.

  • DISGUSTED

    “Hillary is a seasoned politician. Obama is not.”Wow! A seasoned loser?

  • Reply to anonymous

    The entire book of Job.

  • President Palin

    In 1993, McCain had a cancerous mole removed from his shoulder. The mole was diagnosed as melanoma, the most serious form of skin cancer. He had a recurrence of skin cancer in 2000 and surgery to remove two melanoma lesions, one from his left temple and the other from his left arm.Think about Ted Kennedy. One day he’s the grand leader of the democratic party, and a few months later he’s so weak from chemo that he can barely make it to the podium for a speech at the convention. If Palin/McCain are elected, it’s very likely the same thing will happen to McCain, and he won’t be able to finish out his first term. President Palin will take over. Can we really afford to elect Palin/McCain, with the likelihood that someone with no experience one the world stage would be in charge of our country at this critical point in our history?

  • Rick W

    This is of course the real power of the Palin choice and also the weakness. Once everyone gets past their surprise McCain picked a women the reality will set in that he kowtowed to the extremists in his party and picked someone WAAAAAAY to the right. There is nothing moderate about Sarah Palin. Most of her views are extreme right wing.

  • Marvin

    John H. Be very careful telling me you have been where I am. You have no idea where I have been, suffered ( or not) or learned ( or not). Those who do not believe in religion ( just to let you in, I have been agnostic – a non-position, and atheist – you know, those guys who know God better than anyone?) and Prostestant, and am now Roman Catholic. Free choice, ya, know. It’s up to me to make my own mistakes – I don’t want help doing it, and only need God’s help to recover from them.I pray for you and all like you, that your time in Purgatory will be short. BUT as to the message of the day, “Ther ain’t not Falin’ with McCain/Palin.

  • Hector

    Wow. Maybe she was the most qualified candidate that would accept. I wonder if she can spell “potatoe”.

  • punditdeflator

    You GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! WOW, doe’s McCain actually think America is going to buy his horse and pony show? He might as well as throw in the towel now and concede the run for the White House to Obama right now.

  • Anonymous

    “I’ll eat my aging cat with curry sauce.”eeyeww marc- you better salt that stringy meat down.i live in the south and loads (and i mean every lifelongdemocrat i know) will be voting for mccainthis year. they view his record as acceptable (mccain is friends with the democrats in the senate that they’ve loved for years) and absolutely disdain obama. these are older voters and they really really don’t trust him. bon appetite!

  • motslots

    Just the fact that so many folks on this discussion thread are making such crude remarks about Palin probably means that they realize what a brillant selection McCain made. It great to see how this has really sucked the air out of the Obama gas bag in such a short period of time. Now the real fun begins.

  • John H

    Marvin with a resume’ like that you are only proving my point.

  • Existence

    In the beginning, I put to death an ancient universe to make room for the creation of our young universe. And it was good.This universe violently created and spread matter throughout it’s cosmos, condensed into galaxies, solar systems, and orbs of mass, one of which, you know as Earth.Conditions of the placement of Earth allowed energy to condense into individual beings, eventually creating you, Man.Man developed a sense of awareness, importance and wonder and created God in his own image. Then, another man created God in his own image. Then, another. And another. Then, one Man killed another Man over his presumption of God.

  • Willy

    Bruce, I think your comments are without fundamental and base just in your emotions, your opinion express anger.When I read those comments, I think about the 50’s and 60’s when you couldn’t express what you wanted even if you have common sense, because as soon as you opened you mouth the FBI was conducting and investigation on you and you might be called Communist.Now the Good LORD, made a dream come reality, all men and women are EQUAL and we have a decent human being who happens to be African American, for whom some Greater than You and me Die and forgive his sins, Please read John 3:16 ( I assume you believe in GOD since you mention his enemy) Please remember, that we you talk bad about one of GOD Children, you are offending HIMI Pray for THE LORD, to give you peace on mind and love in your heart because of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.GOD bless the Whole World

  • Surreal

    PALIN AND HER HUSBAND BOTH WORK FOR AND REPRESENT THE OIL COMPANIES. GOOGLE THEM BOTH AND IT’S ALL THERE IN THE NEWS IN BLACK AND WHITE. AND THAT SEEMS TO JUST GO UNNOTICED. I DON’T GET IT. IS ANY ONE ELSE OUT THERE HAVING A HARD TIME PAYING FOR THE GAS JUST TO GET TO WORK? I’M AMAZED AT THIS CHOICE. AND SHOCKED THAT THE PEOPLE WOULD EVEN CONSIDER IT FOR A SECOND.

  • response to existence

    That about sums it up

  • Republican John

    This woman supports teaching creationism in the schools, she wants to tear up the Alaskan wilderness, and she has absolutely no experience whatsoever. And she is a heartbeat away from the presidency? This is an unbelievably bad choice. I’m switching to Obama as of today. McCain is just too much of a risk.

  • Stick it

    Yup this race is over! Thanks for playing..Obama by a landslide..

  • Lewis B. Sckolnick

    Jen The Clinton’s are bye bye Miss American pie…

  • THE SCREAMER

    I LIKE TO WRITE IN ALL CAPS SO PEOPLE WILL LISTEN TO ME!

  • civil war now.

    lets face it people, we are a nation divided. and the sooner us rational people can divide from you fairy tale loving nutjobs the better.

  • Fairtale Nutjob

    You mean you find is crazy that when we die pappa wil take us all into his big house and love us and hug us. And we can live forever with family members we can’t stand?

  • Ms Rainey

    Melanie Strong,There are some people that voted for Barack because he was black but there were plenty more that voted against him for the same reason regardless of whether they will outright admit it or not. All these years white people voted for white candidates period that is why we have only had white presidents. Do you really expect African Americans to vote for a man that voted against MLK Holiday for 16 years. All MLK and African Americans wanted was equality and McCain voted against this holiday many times. There are people on this website calling Obama fags and all kinds of names and he has never done anything to any of these people. And this is suppose to be a Christian site. That goes to the maturity of people, and they will probably be the same ones that will need healthcare, or government foreclosure assistance or many of the other things he is working to help people on. John McCain voted against raising minimum wage numerous times, yet he has 7 homes and you feel that he is there for you, yeah right. I don’t need to look at procapita reports, I can look in the mirror…

  • Anonymous

    “civil war now. : Bill Ayers- is that you again??

  • ejgallagher1

    Read the Constitution about no religious test for holding office. Once again McCain played Dobson and Robertson’s choice.

  • Jhs

    Republican John, you are making a wise choice. McCain is sucking up to extremists and putting someone with zero experience and questionable judgment a heart beat away. And he’s 72. That is irresponsible beyond words. A patriot? or an opportunist…….

  • I<anonymous

    Everyone that thinks Barack does not know how many states there are in the US are probably the same ones forwarding the emails saying he is a muslim. A bunch of uneducated pathetic nitwits. Put your education up next to Baracks and see who most likely would know how many states there are in the US. Don’t make yourselves look foolish by starting another baseless rumor.

  • angry black guy

    all you self righteous,rich, white hypocrite conservatives….time for damage control ! start saying what a great choice she is! a true conservative ! lookout obama ! Hah!

  • LH

    That’s the typical GOP candidate for you- always sucking up to the wingnut base that lives in fear. But this isn’t 2004. This time around, Americans have seen the Republicans trash the country for eight years, and they are sick of it. There aren’t enough whackos to outvote the rational, decent Americans out there, and this is why Mc Goo is going to get hammered. Obama/Biden ’08!

  • Hmmmpphh

    Responses are slowing down. Guess everyone is leaving work.Get in those cars and go home

  • Molly

    Biden is going to slay her in the VP debates! I saw her being interviewed regarding “Troopergate” and she sounded like she was giving her student council speech. COOL.

  • Anonymous

    “Biden is going to slay her in the VP debates!”Bad idea. Thankfully Biden is savvy enough not to sacrifice his longtime political career on the altar of Obama’s presidential dreams.

  • Obama Just WON

    McCain just LOST THE ELECTION!American won’t vote for someone who they never heard of to be one heartbeat from the presidency.Reading some of these comments I see that many Americans are still clueless. You never heard of this woman and now you LOVE her, support her and will swallow it hook, line and sinker. This woman supports offshore drilling in Alaska, is under investigation by the state ethics committee, and is known as a neocon lapdog.Thanks, grandpa, you just threw away the election and the republican party for the next 20 years.

  • Pandering Job

    Pander much?

  • President Obama!

    Grandpa McCain just made an unknown “hockey mom” his choice to be next in line after he dies.America will never vote for this ticket.Pro life, pro oil, pro neocon.

  • tai hunter

    I like her! Alot! But I’m still a R voting for Obama because I believe he will actually do what he says about compromise and working together on things all Americans care about. The GOP candidates seems to just puppets with the strings getting pulled by the same people who have had reign over these past disastrous years. I guess I’m still burned about how the whole “compassionate conservative” thing played out. Fool me once, you know the rest. Obamacan for Obama!

  • Marc Edward

    Anonymous writes Hey, I make a mean curry! Cooked in yogurt and cream, with lots of garlic, ginger, cumin, corieander and tumeric, even the toughest mean is good. “i live in the south”Me too – been in North Carolina since 88. Republicans have been taking a solid South in every election since 1980. Obama is far better organized than McCain. Here in NC the Rebublicans have just opened 3 offices. Obama has had at least 12 campaign offices since before the primary and they are very active. Many Southern Christians are totally against women being in leadership positions (look up the Southern Baptist Convention sometime). “and loads (and i mean every lifelongdemocrat i know) will be voting for mccainthis year.”They might not vote for Obama, but I also wonder how many will want to spend $5 in gas to support McCain.” and absolutely disdain obama. these are older voters and they really really don’t trust him”Yeah I know some people over 70 who have trouble with Obama, pretty much over his race. I think the overwealming turnout among African Americans might carry theday, or at least force McCain to spend millions to defend “safe” states.BTW, somebody commented that McCain was staring at Palin’s rear. I was just watching a replay and McCain does make many lenthy, appreciative stares at Palin’s bottom while she speaks. When that gets properly edited and put on Youtube, Cindy might be tossing some frying pans McCains way!

  • Chris

    I just googled Bill Ayers-Leader of the 1960s and 70s domestic terrorist group Weatherman Born in 1944, Bill Ayers, along with his wife Bernardine Dohrn, was a 1960s leader of the homegrown terrorist group Weatherman, a Communist-driven splinter faction of Students for a Democratic Society. Characterizing Weatherman as “an American Red Army,” Ayers summed up the organization’s ideology as follows: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents.” In his 2001 screed, Fugitive Days, Ayers recounts his life as a Sixties radical, his tenure as a Weatherman lieutenant, his terrorist campaign across America, and his enduring hatred for for the United States. “What a country,” Ayers said in 2001. “It makes me want to puke.” Ayers was an active participant in Weatherman’s 1969 “Days of Rage” riots in Chicago, where nearly 300 members of the organization employed guerrilla-style tactics to viciously attack police officers and civilians alike, and to destroy massive amounts of property via vandalism and arson; their objective was to further spread their anti-war, anti-American message. Reminiscing on those riots, Ayers says pridefully: “We’d … proven that it was possible — we didn’t all die, we were still there.” A substantial portion of Ayers’ book Fugitive Days discusses the author’s penchant for building and deploying explosives. Ayers boasts that he “participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972.” Of the day he bombed the Pentagon, Ayers says, “Everything was absolutely ideal. … The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them.”On another occasion, Ayers stated: “There’s something about a good bomb … Night after night, day after day, each majestic scene I witnessed was so terrible and so unexpected that no city would ever again stand innocently fixed in my mind. Big buildings and wide streets, cement and steel were no longer permanent. They, too, were fragile and destructible. A torch, a bomb, a strong enough wind, and they, too, would come undone or get knocked down.” All told, Ayers and Weatherman were responsible for 30 bombings aimed at destroying the defense and security infrastructures of the U.S. “I don’t regret setting bombs, said Ayers in 2001, “I feel we didn’t do enough.”In 1970, Ayers’ then-girlfriend Diana Oughton, along with Weatherman members Terry Robbins and Ted Gold, were killed when a bomb they were constructing exploded unexpectedly. That bomb had been intended for detonation at a dance that was to be attended by army soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Hundreds of lives could have been lost had the plan been successfully executed. Ayers attested that the bomb would have done serious damage, “tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too.”After the death of his girlfriend, Ayers and his current wife, Bernardine Dohrn, spent the 1970s as fugitives running from the FBI. In 1980 the two surrendered, but all charges against them were dropped due to an “improper surveillance” technicality. Ayers’ comment on his life, as reported by Peter Collier and David Horowitz in their authoritative chapter on Weatherman in Destructive Generation, is this: “Guilty as sin, free as a bird, America is a great country.” Notwithstanding his violent past, Ayers today does not describe himself as a terrorist. “Terrorists destroy randomly,” he reasons, “while our actions bore … the precise stamp of a cut diamond. Terrorists intimidate, while we aimed only to educate.” In Fugitive Days, Ayers reflects on whether or not he might use bombs against the U.S. in the future. “I can’t imagine entirely dismissing the possibility,” he writes.In the mid-1990s, Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn hosted meetings at their Chicago home to introduce BARACK OBAMA to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate.In 1999 Ayers joined the Woods Fund of Chicago, where he served as a director alongside BARACK OBAMA until the latter left the Woods board in December 2002. Ayers went on to become Woods’ Chairman of the Board. In 2002 the Woods Fund made a grant to Northwestern University Law School’s Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers’ wife, Bernardine Dohrn, was employed.

  • kkk guy

    awww hell…why did he go and do that? hows the hell we gonna beat them damn liberals now? shoot, what we need is another george wallace to teach these socialist, n***er lovin, tax and spend sons of b’s a lesson. I sure am gonna miss the george and dick show.

  • Anonymous

    haha. she has a retard kid.maybe we will have the first retard in the white house. oh wait, forgot about gw.

  • Dereks Sex Life

    LOL

  • Jim

    The choice wasn’t about courting womean. It was about sealing the deal for the evangelicals. They come out in droves to support their causes. They had reason to doubt before. Now they do not.If you recall, their turnout helped Bush against all odds and left the media scratching their collective heads. Will be the same this time.

  • Morgan The Hair

    How is my hair look guys?

  • Anonymous

    This just in from Rueters:

  • Anonymous

    WOW- Obama’s childhood mentor Frank Davis friend of his white grandfather.His twenty plus year spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright.His friends and neighbors Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn.Even his wife Michelle…Barack Obama has spent his life surrounded by Haters of America and Americans.

  • dustin’s tiny johnson

    does this mean i get to keep my guns?

  • Cooday

    Republicans must have been inspired by McCain’s decision. Rove is already promoting Governor Palin of Alaska to the media. A lot of us Democrats thought of Geraldine Ferro who was the Democratic Nominee for the Vice President with Democratic Presidential candidate Walter Mondale back in 1984. Geraldine Ferro is the complete opposite of Governor Palin of Alaska on the issues. Geraldine Ferro was a pioneer that made it possible for Hillary to run this year and almost win. Hillary Clinton on the issues is the complete opposite of Governor Palin of Alaska. In the media the Republican strategists are trying to paint Joe Biden as what in contrast with Sarah Palin? They should know better. His mom also taught him about honor and decency which is lacking in the relentless Republican attack ads. Sarah has enough on her plate already. Mitt and Rudy tripped over McCain’s 7 houses. I’m sure that Sarah will find a answer to McCain’s Seven Houses? Of course he already helped her by stating that he only lived in Four. Recently McCain stated that the economy was fine. I just went to the store and cooking oil double in price. The issues are so much more with clear contrasts between the Democrat and the Republican party. With Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska McCain has run to the right. Classic Rove trademark that won him two Bush terms. We respect Gov. Sarah Palin. Congratulations to John for picking her. But this race is still about the issues. McCain has supported Bush over 90 percent of the time. This election cycle Writer Steve Benen has already documented 75 flip – flops by McCain running for President. Jukebox John keeps changing his tune by Steve Benden – McCain now up to 75 flip – flopsThe issues are what the voters care about. The Democrats will show the contrast between both Parties and the Candidates Obama and McCain. The real debate will be between Obama and McCain.

  • Gibster

    What a pathetic and transparently pandering choice. She’s Dan Quayle in an empty pants suit.

  • Yeil Raven

    Obama/Biden, Al Gore, Bill Richardson, Susan Eisenhower and 80,000 supporters energized and inspired us watching them on TV. Yes we Can!Democrats and Obamacans courting all Republican and Independent voters – The Chantay’s – Pipeline (Lawrence Welk Show)Dean Martin & John WayneElvis Presley – Love Me TenderMatthew 7:7 Obamacan’s – “The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry.” William F. Buckley, Jr. quoteVote Obama/Biden ’08

  • woman hater

    what is all this about a woman v.p.? no way man, nooo way. go bake some cookies honey, stay the hell out of politics. seriously.

  • Pam

    RD says:Say what? Check this out:”Last week, Palin’s administration announced plans to pay a $150 ‘incentive’ (a.k.a. bounty) for each wolf killed in specified management areas – provided that shooters turn in the dismembered leg of each wolf they kill.If this doesn’t produce the results they want, she’ll allow state officials to use helicopters to track down and kill wolves. Given the speed and efficiency of helicopters this action could very well boost the numbers of wolves killed.”Some environmentalist!

  • Alaskan

    All I see from the libs here are catch phrases and slogans, no actual points being made. I saw a few hippies mention destroying Alaskan wilderness, which just proves you know nothing about ANWAR and just want to spit back what you’ve been fed by the media. Palin is going to destroy the Dems.

  • Charles

    Dead wolves mean our planet will overheat AMIRITE???Wolves are not the environment, numbnut.

  • calnewman.CA

    Oh McCain! Just pick someone to please the Evangelicals?Amen. God help us and our country! When are the Evangelicals going to learn how to vote and not only look at abortion and gay issues? Didn’t Jesus say many times that we need to help the poor brothers/sisters,…? He didn’t ask people if they are gays or sinners before He helped them. He also told us not to judge others! We are not God and have no right to judge others.The Evangelicals voted to have Bush twice and isn’t it bad enough for the country???

  • George W Bush

    And you people called me stupid.

  • hitpoints

    I really didn’t want to vote for Obama. I thought McCain was the better choice. I could live with his being a Republican. But his pick of Palin seems to be his way of distancing himself from the RINO label, and embracing the religious right even tighter. Thus, my vote will be for Obama. Sorry, John, I liked you. But someone who apparently isn’t merely against abortion personally, but doesn’t believe in any abortion rights, and who agrees with teaching creationism, goes against anything I could vote for. I hope the Talibangelicals get slapped silly in November with an Obama win.

  • lou

    It’s over for McCain this election. It’s so sad that his choice is geared, not to intelligently bring this nation back on its feet, but rather a cheap ineffectual ploy to simply get elected. Again his poor judgement once again shines through. The “Songbird”, as he was nicknamed by his fellow POW’s, all pretty much feel that he should not be that close to the “RED BUTTON”.

  • DukeLaw

    When did being a lifelong member of the NRA become a qualification that was appealing to the evangelicals?Seriously, is owning a gun that important to Christians? The logic (or lack thereof) is scary.

  • New Dude on the Block

    Hey Alaskan,only slogans? catch phrases? We know Palin and her husband are in the pockets of big oil. Every economist, (and McCain himself) acknowledge that immediate drilling might (key word there big guy) save us a few pennies a gallon in about 10 years.This acknowledges the main point by Barack’s campaign. Nobody wants the same ole sh t . The stuck in the 80s and 90s thinking of right wingers will get the whole country in deeper crap.

  • JBE

    How can ANY christian support an unindicted criminal abuser of official office and power for ANYTHIONG… Let alone VP of the US!?!This woman pressured and then fired a good man – a chief of police – who refused to break the law and fire her sister’s ex husband from his job as a state trooper because it was ILLEGAL TO DO SO!..Then McCain picks the unindicted criminal for VP- a 70yr old heartbeat-away from the oval office – and the NEO-CON evangelicals cheer.Christians are not supposed to be criminals even if they are forgiven!Why do I suspect Godly Christians will be apalled when they learn the truth about Palin?

  • wthorn

    McCain’s decision provides insight into his Presidential perspective, as does his generosity in congratulating Obama last night. Palin demonstrates a commitment to the values woven through American culture especially the need for reform — a true son of Teddy Roosevelt, Fightin Bob LaFollette and that earlier generation of reform Republicans.Palin also gives hope to those pro-life Catholics the Dems drove out of the party and Reagan welcomed into the GOP.

  • John McCain

    I was not looking at that woman’s rear end while she was at the podium today. The liberal media did something to the video to make my eyes look in the direction of body. I love my wife and would never pick some chick as a vice president just cause she’s hot looking, and I’m desperate for votes. I want to be clear about that.

  • Pam

    Melanie Strong says:Ummmm, that might be hard to do since it’s only one word and an entirely imaginary one.

  • 2befair

    10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don’t): 1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has “evolved,” yet he’s continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1 2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain “will make Cheney look like Gandhi.”2 3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3 4. McCain opposes a woman’s right to choose. He said, “I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned.”4 5. The Children’s Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children’s health care bill last year, then defended Bush’s veto of the bill.5 6. He’s one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a “second job” and skip their vacations.6 7. Many of McCain’s fellow Republican senators say he’s too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He’s erratic. He’s hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”7 8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8 9. McCain has sought closer ties to the 10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10

  • Pam

    Tom says:Now there’s a really relevant issue on which to base an intelligent vote. And he can’t even write a coherent sentence.

  • Hoss

    Sarah Palin – What are her qualifications? She has more experience than BO. That alone makes her qualified.

  • rpatoh

    Found a free & cool campaign graphic download at

  • Barrack Obama

    I just want to say that I respect John McCain for choosing Governer Palin as his running mate. I’ve read some of the comments posted here about his choice of of an attractive white woman as his V.P.

  • John McCain

    Barrack, thank you for your post. Peace out,

  • Barack Obama

    Allright J-Money, I’m a give you a shout later on.Keep it real,

  • R-E-S-P-E-C-T ed.. Not Used

    Anybody seen the movie “Hustle and Flow.”

  • Catholic voting for Obama

    Papa Ray of west Texas posted @ August 29, 2008 2:59 PM Hummm! I guess if you need a lame reason to support Senator McCain this is as silly as anyone could imagine.

  • Mitchell

    Why would Newsweek/WashPost begin the article with the statement about Gene Weingarten’s criticism (masquerading as critique)? Would it be the Post’s objectivity or their sense of professionalism insulating them from bias? What does that “introduction” have to do with the rest of the article?

  • spiderman2

    Sarah Palin did not abort her child even if she knew beforehand that the child has Down Syndrome. What a character.Pam, on the other hand, told us she aborted or exterminated her dogs because of slight imperfection. I hope the liberal left can see what kind of character they have. It’s DARKER THAN BLACK.

  • Ronald Reagan(speaking from the grave)

    what the hell is going on? where am I? who’s this chick sarah? a black man in the white house? i’m going back to sleep.

  • JAC

    Stan O posted @ August 29, 2008 3:25 PMIf Governor Palin gives conservative republicans a higher level of comfort with Senator McCain he is in big trouble with GOP voters!!!

  • rasputyn

    I was fairly impressed with McCain even though his TV ads were quite dishonest and his nose-hairs quite distracting. This cheap attempt to attract the “must have a woman in the White House” crowd, is an INSULT. O’Bama ’08.

  • ChristianVoter

    McCain tried to please our “modern high priests” who are ready to crucify even Jesus again if He comes back here and doesn’t agree with them on abortion or gay union issues.No wonder that many, many of us run away from the churches since they called themselves Christian leaders but not living with what Jesus taught or just chose some items to fit them for money and power!! We don’t want to go to the same “heaven” with these haters.

  • Administrator

    To the comedians out there making false posts using Obama, McCain and Reagan’s names, this is not a joke!

  • What PUMA voters

    Aaron posted :Clinton PUMA voters is hype and a myth created by rove and the liberal MSM, it’s laughable.Lee posted:Who’s defending 4400 dead service men and women?

  • Barack Obama

    Mr. Administrator,Barack Obama

  • John McCain

    Mr. Administrator,Ditto.John McCain

  • Ronald Reagan(speaking from the grave)

    what?

  • Griffin

    I was a Hillary supporter, until she knuckled under and endorsed that fraud Obama, despite knowing what he is. She put her political career and that pathetic Democratic Party ahead of her country. Even if Obama had picked her as his vp, I would not have voted for him, although I would have gladly voted for her as president, before she endorsed him. Now she has proven to be a political coward, I will never vote for her, not in 2012, not ever. DEMOCRATS4MCCAIN/PALIN!

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  • me

    I think Obama should divorce his wife and marry a white woman, pronto.

  • spiderman2

    test

  • Slim2

    The fact the James Dobson, upon learning the news had some sort of revelation or orgasm–redundant for Evangelicals, should inspire the Obamaites to heroic efforts to end this reign of error the last eight years.

  • LMAO at fakers

    Love all these paid RNC bloggers claiming to be democratic or progressive women who will now vote for McCain. Please, don’t insult our intelligence. Nobody believes it for a second. Let’s see some poll results about how those voters are affected by this. They’d rather have no woman at all in office than an inexperienced, anti-choice right-wing lapdog. This was a absolutely toxic choice for McCain and I’ve heard from a friend whose father is an lifelong Republican that this is it, he won’t be voting for McCain.

  • RB-Chicago

    Just more science fiction pablum to feed the masses…what a joke..

  • Brambleton

    Haven’t had a chance to truly learn much about the VP choice yet, but given what I’ve heard. . .It certainly makes more sense that Obama’s choice. How exactly does Joe Biden signify change? Is he suddenly going to stop voting for legislation being pushed by his high power lobbyist son? Maybe Obama has been impressed by the sweeping changes brought about by the Joe Biden/democratic controlled Congress lately? (And by sweeping changes, I mean passing legislation that has absolutely no impact on anything)At some point, Obama’s beautiful and energetic orations will become stale and repetitive and people will search for true answers. At that point, Mr. Obama will be exposed for the Warren Harding clone that he is and the voters will leave in droves.

  • Fred Evil

    She’s no mother. A mother with a 4 month old that has Down’s syndrome doesn’t have the time to run a state, much less our country.

  • tiger

    Most of the people posting here are stinky trash of low class, period!

  • Craven

    The GOP and the Dems are, as far as I can see, equally craven. Obama picked Biden, an old school money driven player to help him gain legitimacy, and McCain picked Palin because she helps his image with evangelicals and women.There is no integrity in either of these choices, just as there is no integrity in our (rigged) national elections.Is Palin a good choice for McCain politically? It’s too soon to say. At this point all comments and articles are speculative.

  • musinng

    The thing about the liberal left is they know when the right are stimulated they get the vote out and the republicans win. There will be many once they see this women in action aganist old Joe they will be impressed. she stopped the boondoggles in Alaska senators build bridges to no where to bring money into their area.I wonder if she has a list of the number of bridges Biden might have made over 36 years.Once this initial flurry of critism about her qualifications and they see her in action watch out.

  • musinng

    The thing about the liberal left is they know when the right are stimulated they get the vote out and the republicans win. There will be many once they see this women in action aganist old Joe they will be impressed. she stopped the boondoggles in Alaska senators build bridges to no where to bring money into their area.I wonder if she has a list of the number of bridges Biden might have made over 36 years.Once this initial flurry of critism about her qualifications and they see her in action watch out.

  • BIgdaddy

    Palin is a MILF…who wouldnt want her in the white house. or we can look at biden for four years. brilliant move…if the dems loose this…they should grab a spatula and practice…welcome to macdonaldsm can i take your order. and by the way, how the hell is obama going to stop offshoring jobs? that is communism…and 4% unemployment is phenomenal…

  • tiger

    “you’re voting for Sarah Palin because she has the same name as your granddaughter? How inspiring. How educated. How not suprising.” – Can I use your phrases for those naive chicks who support Obama because in their eyes he is good looking and sexy, and many who won’t vote for Clinton simply because “she’s not beautiful”? Think before you write so it won’t backfire on you!

  • Pam

    “Pam, on the other hand, told us she aborted or exterminated her dogs because of slight imperfection. “You lying little sleazeball – I never said anything of the kind, and you know it.How do you sleep at night?

  • miguel

    Oh my. So, she has the endorsement of Richard Land, one of the most unsavory lunkheads in the fairyland known as Evangelical Christianity. The Republican Party has sold it’s soul for a mess of pottage, to borrow a Biblical aphorism, and are busy kicking down the gates of Hell on behalf of “decency” and “rightiousness.”

  • Anonymous

    “There are also sometimes mismatings – “oops” breedings, as in the classified ad that offered puppies whose “mom is a pure-bred Lab, dad is a curly-coated, high-fence jumper.”I haven’t had one of those, but there is a “morning-after” injection for such cases, and I would not hesitate to use it.”To be exact- dog breeder Pam said she would destroy pups who had no imperfect other than she is not genetically pleased with them.Right Pam?

  • Branfo4

    Yes, Sarah! is an inspired choice for both the religious freaks and the dopes. And she is as qualified as George W Bush. That turned out pretty well.

  • Roy

    Palin teaches creationism in Alaska schools. Of course evangelicals are excited about one their delusional own denying scientific facts.

  • jim filyaw

    amazing! when one considers all the truly important issues facing this country, from the war in iraq to impending economic chaos, the born aginners are fired up by madam palin’s firmly held belief that any woman who presumes to take dominion over her own body should be jailed. good god! mencken once observed that no man ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the american public. mccain is betting he was right.

  • The Wolf

    Great. John McCain learned that you can’t win an election without the tight-ass whitey vote. This is proof that the Republican Party is controlled by the religious right. Doesn’t matter if he picked a woman or a man as long as the one he picked is against abortion, loves guns, and hates everyone else. Just remember: McCain lost in 2000 because he wouldn’t bow to the religious right. Maverick, my ass.

  • Frederick

    Wow…I didn’t know Elaine from Seinfeld was even interested in politics.Yada, yada, yada…I’m still not voting for McCain.

  • pp

    this ‘good christian’ is about as good as Dan Quayle…total pandering to the right wing holier than thous in the far right wing.Oh they don’t want universal health care but if by some miracle it comes to pass, they will be the first to sign up and say ‘gimme’ That’s what these people are all about.

  • Danny

    “Wow…I didn’t know Elaine from Seinfeld was even interested in politics.Yada, yada, yada…I’m still not voting for McCain.”O My God that is awesome!Leave it to a creepy old perv to choose a MILF as his running mate. Watch Bill Clinton beg to sign up for the National Security Advisor job!

  • NE Patriot

    I never saw the whole Matrix movie but that line actually makes a lot of sense. Seems like I’m not the only one who making the correlation here. To me our virus like nature sounds a lot more viable then believing that a human walked on water, healed the sick with a wave of his magic hand, and turned water into wine. In all of human existence I’ve never seen another human do such things. I’ve seen viruses destroy bodies many times. Sounds a lot more natural to me as well. Like I said, I’m okay with that.What I’m not okay with is having someone who believes their views and personal choices should be forced into my life to the point where I can’t make my own decision to get an abortion if needed, marry someone of my own sex if I wanted, or have my child taught the truth in current science rather then stories of magic in a book written thousands of years go by other humans. Common sense tells me that one seems more viable then the other. Is your God story right? But the Jewish guys God story wrong? Why is that? Because it’s you and not him? That makes a whole lot of sense. Human narcissism is what I see.

  • rebecca

    You misjudge Sarah Palin because you are unfamiliar with Alaska.She grew up in Alaska with its extremes of seasons and had no problem getting up past midnight to hunt with her dad and then making a full day of school and competitive sports after.She took down the “good old boys” of her own party in Alaska, while raising four children and pregnant with her fifth child. Just because she has managed to do all this And retain a youthful appearance does not mean she’s a fluffy do-nothing. Sarah Palin is smart as a fox and as tough as steel. Watch her and see.

  • Paganplace

    ” Jay:”PaganPlace,Please list one legislative accomplishment of Nobama besides the renaming of a post office that qualifies him for anything???? “Just one? Keeping his soul? 🙂 Not waiting for a majority, or a ‘veto-proof’ one to stand on the principles that inform at least half of this nation? Or you want something more concrete, of a sudden, right?Opposing this disastrous, ill-advised, and terribly-executed war. That’s up there.

  • Diana Wright

    The fact that the lady from Alaska didn’t abort a Downs child entitles her to absolutely nothing. Many of us who support abortion rights would not make a personal choice to abort a Downs child.In fact, her using this child as an election issue & bringing the child out before cameras shows an essential tackiness & cheapness of character totally unbefitting anyone who claims the name of Christian.

  • Paganplace

    And, no, she doesn’t have sufficient experience. I’m sure she’s a very admirable woman. The fact she’s had the means to have five kids and get into office on the heels of a major period of Republican scandal and screwup by being ‘just folks’ and religiously-correct doesn’t mean she has any rights or equality in mind for the *little guy, (or gal, in this case,) either. She’s one of the few who have been rewarded for right-wing ‘religious correctness,’ and has *no* history as a public policymaker for America, never mind real executive experience. This is probably just McCain’s way of trying to a) steal the thunder of the historic Democratic ticket with a false image of ‘feminism,’ (ie, obey the Fundies’ dictates and maybe you’ll be rewarded by the oil industry to prevent the real change regular folks so desperately need) …and b) hope for a ‘single issue’ campaign based on a ‘Just Say No’ approach to anything involving the abortion issue. Have lots of puppies. Someone with a private plane can afford to. (Yes, I realize that planes are more practical in Alaska, that doesn’t mean everyone *gets* one. )

  • Marc Edward

    Palin is Cheney on steroids, period. Palin is the sort of “true believer” who thinks public schools should force kids to learn creationism and believes women should be forced to raise the children of the men who rape them. She has already demonstrated she is happy to abuse her power. On taxation, she prefers to shift the cost of government from the well off to the working class (she cut property taxes and raise sales taxes as mayor). A “President Palin” would be much worse than four more years of Bush policies. The 30 Years War was started by “True Believers”, people who thought they needed to fight a war to protect the Church. In the end near 1/2 the population of Germany was dead, and Spain forever lost it’s status as a Great European power. McCain/Palin is a horrible ticket. Experience doesn’t enter into it, character does. McCain is willing to play craps, gambling the future of the USA on a running mate he neither knows or agrees with on issues. Of course the media that treated Senator Clinton terribly will be nice to Palin, cause anytime she’s critisized she’ll no doubt play her “mommy card” to justify any outragous thing she says or any illegal thing she does.

  • Sarah Palin

    Johnny isn’t the first old buck to check me out, and he won’t be the last. At least he’s well preserved, a hero, and such.When I get a moment to myself, I like to check around me every now and then. (So, what? It gets cold up here.) But just so nobody worries, I don’t care much for soft middles, sagging butts, stringy arms, spindly legs, etc. Maybe it’s just me. I don’t know.I like ’em hard in all discernible locations, and that’s the gospel. Check out who I’m checking out.

  • VICTORIA

    What is really astonishing is how quickly republicans are rolling over on their backs and basically abandoning McCain in favor of this totally unknown variable. While I was excited about Biden’s nomination, I didn’t enthusiastically jump off the Obama boa, because I realize that he is the POTUS nominee- and has a strng and substantial graps of the gravity of that job, and what is necessary to drag us our of the debacle of a lied into war- economic recession, health care ememrgency, housing scandal- that are the REAL issues we are concenred with. The fact that the Repubs so willingly abandon their candidate for a woman who, however cute she is- has no stances on the most pressing issues facing America- Bush the father left us with a 4 TRILLION dollar deficit- Don’t forget, McCain was also on the short list to be VP for Bush the father. With somoene so entrenched in the old boys network- who guarantees MORE OF THE SAME FAILURE OF THE PREVIOUS (PRESENT) ADMIN- GIVE US A BREAK! This country is tanking economically- You all must think we have the attention spans of flies-

  • VICTORIA

    LET’S NOT KEEP FAILIN’ WITH PALIN!

  • Pam

    “To be exact- dog breeder Pam said she would destroy pups who had no imperfect other than she is not genetically pleased with them.Right Pam?”Wrong, as usual, A__. I would not “destroy pups”, but I would prevent an unwanted (by me) pregnancy from ever happening. There’s a very large difference. A morning-after shot neither distresses the mother (she doesn’t even know anything’s happened), nor the “puppies” (they don’t have nervous sytems – or much of anything else).When you breed dogs, the idea is *not* to produce as many misbegotten offspring as you possibly can. It *is* to breed responsibly and produce the best quality, healthiest puppies possible, and no more of them than you need to carry on your lines or can find excellent homes for.You are a fanatic with a one-track mind.

  • NotSoGreatScot

    I can’t find any reference to her saying that she had been advised to abort her child, prior to James Dobson saying it yesterday. Can anyone else find a direct quote from Gov. Palin on this subject?

  • R-E-S-P-E-C-T ed.. Not Used

    Anybody seen the movie “Hustle and Flow.”

  • NE Patriot

    “You misjudge Sarah Palin because you are unfamiliar with Alaska”She managed a quarter of the population of Brooklyn NY and her husband is a union worker for BP. She wants to drill for oil in her home wildlife reserve (to save many 10 cents on gas over a ten year period while her husband gets paid), she wants to force religion into schools and into peoples lives, and she feel like we should all think like her, be NRA gun touting, God fearing, creationists. She should focus on her personal views and keep her oppressive stance on abortion, gay rights, and conservative values in her own family. She has no right to tell someone else what they should do with their genitals, fetuses, or their thoughts on science and religion. What’s right for her is only right for her. But you religious nut bags want to stick your views in everyone’s life while our country goes down the sh*tter. Get your lopsided religious views out of my life. I don’t want it. It’s not your place to say what I can do with my love life, my pregnancy, and what my children learn. Stop forcing your views on us. They’re sh*t. Keep your magic stories in your own home or with your own kind.

  • VICTORIA

    So, let me make sure I understand your reasoning Rebecca- I am supposed to trust the governing of the most powerful leader of the free world, because his VP nominee PUT AN AD ON EBAY? Yes, I do have some fear- go look at her site posted previously- NO OPINION ON- FREE TRADE GOVERNMENT REFORM! ISN’T THAT HER STRENGTH??? here is what she has an opinion on- FOR THE DEATH PENALTY Well, I feel so informed now.

  • Anonymous

    “I don’t want it. It’s not your place to say what I can do with my love life, my pregnancy, and what my children learn. Stop forcing your views on us. They’re sh*t. Keep your magic stories in your own home or with your own kind.”If you are this frightened by Sarah Palin- you are going to completely lose your mind when McCain is president and Palin is VP. Join a support group or something and see if your doctor will tweak your meds. Get off your computer and get a nice quiet hobby like stamp collecting or scrapbooking.Good luck.

  • VICTORIA

    I wonder Rebecca- if you lived in New York, or Los Angeles- if you would have such a high opinion about Palin.

  • Paganplace

    Looking in on *this* exchange:””I don’t want it. It’s not your place to say what I can do with my love life, my pregnancy, and what my children learn. Stop forcing your views on us. They’re sh*t. Keep your magic stories in your own home or with your own kind.”””If you are this frightened by Sarah Palin- you are going to completely lose your mind when McCain is president and Palin is VP. Join a support group or something and see if your doctor will tweak your meds. Get off your computer and get a nice quiet hobby like stamp collecting or scrapbooking.”Yeah, there’s a nice domestic policy as regards more than half the US population: ‘If you don’t like my aggressive and coercive Assemblies Of God agenda, drug yourself up and get a nice Betty Crocker hobby.’

  • NE Patriot

    What I don’t understand is how can someone be against abortion but for the death penalty, guns that kill people, and dragging out a war that’s killing thousands of brave Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? How does that even make any sense? You can’t abort a life that can’t support itself to begin with, but you’re for killing grown ups and citizens of another country. Think of this double standard on the most basic of terms. It’s so typical of Religion. Love for all! (Except gays, pro choice individuals, the poor, minorities, and anyone else who doesn’t think like us!) It’s almost stone age thinking. Lets ignore what science has been telling us and continues to tell us, and rule and ruin people’s lives because some basic minded humans wrote a book about their own God and human savors thousands of years ago. Fear God and you will be saved! A God we created. Because humans are the end-all save-all to the Universe. Come on????

  • VICTORIA

    As a woman, am I supposed to be thrilled or impressed that a woman was picked for VP?

  • NotSoGreatScot

    Anonymous – nice link, but not germane to the question of whether she ever really said she was advised to abort the child, or James Dobson and Richard Land made it up.

  • Thinking Man

    This was a great gift for the Democratic Party. This will be great material for the late night talk shows and the political cartoonists. Can’t you see it with Sarah and her assault rifle and lifetime NRA credentials. This is what the Republican Party thinks the American public will buy into? The Republican Party either thinks the American public are idiots, or this party is. This is the party that truely believes that only certain chosen ones should be in a position of leadership. Only white, Christian, conservative, creationist thinking people. If you are well educated, you need not apply. Let’s hope the colleges can turn out enough thoughtful people to turn this comedy that is John McCain into nothing more than a footnote in history.

  • Tim

    Here is an article outlining some of Palin’s work as governor in Alaska. Her accomplishments far far outstrip Obama’s. When you pair her ability to get the job done with John McCain’s long term experience in bringing people together- they are going to be hard to stop in November. (Sorry about that you frightened Obama faithful who are venting your fear pheromes here.) I’d invite you to post Obama’s accomplishments but its already been noted in this thread that he has none. “In 2006- Sarah Palin became both the first female and youngest governor in Alaskan history at the age of 42. She had previously gained statewide attention as a gutsy maverick unafraid to speak truth after whistleblowing on ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders during her time on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. But the mother-of-five combines her soft looks with a keen grasp of the issues and a formidable campaigning style. A strong social conservative and a staunch supporter of gun rights, she is hugely popular in Alaska — a poll published last month showed her approval rating at 80 per cent. Mrs Palin is strongly pro-life — typified, observers say, by the fact that her fifth child, born in April, has Down’s Syndrome. The Palins also have teenage son, Track, and three young daughters, Bristol, Willow, and Piper. She also opposes same-sex marriage, but has often sympathised with the concerns of gay community about discrimination and has implemented legislation ensuring equal benefits for same-sex couples. After running her gubernatorial campaign on clean government, Mrs Palin has successfully pushed through an ethics Bill as well as shelving pork-barrel projects supported by fellow Republicans. She is a spending hawk, having slashed the state’s construction budget by $237 million – the largest cuts in Alaskan history. After taking office, she followed through on a campaign promise to sell a Windward II jet purchased on state credit. Placing it on eBay three times, she eventually sold it to the highest bidder for $2.7 million. Mrs Palin’s energy stance dovetails nicely with that of Mr McCain — promoting resource development while also taking steps to address climate change and environmental issues. She has recently announced plans to create a new sub-cabinet group of advisers, tasked with reducing greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska. An Alaskan through and through, Mrs Palin grew up with a love of traditional outdoor pursuits. As a child she regularly got up before dawn to go moose-hunting with her father and is still a strong believer in gun ownership. She is a lifetime member of the National Rifle Association. Before entering politics she had a number of unconventional jobs including sports reporter and commercial fisherman, the latter alongside her husband Todd, who is a Yupik Innuit. Todd is a four-time winner of the Tesoro Iron Dog, regarded as the most grueling snowmobile race in the world.”

  • 1988

    New World Order 1988. America wanted change after 8 years of Reagan so an 18 point gap developed in the polls. Geo H W Bush and Lloyd Bentsen were known quantities, not much to think about: a career office holder and a silver haired Solon. Dukakis and Quayle were the question marks. Those lips, those eyes; did the light of G-d’s understanding shine strong in either’s eyes, and who’s lips were more carnal? America is a nation of profilers and it’s the danger signs America is on the alert for. Whatever his faults (and who doesn’t have some) Quayle was bright and lively, his eyes shone and his smile was better than what Dukakis could show. No danger there. In my opinion, Dan Quayle is a dangerous oppressive aggressive maniac devoted to an apocalyptic cult; he manages his appearance, his demeanor, his vocal tone to create a semblance of good which cannot be practically faulted by profilers. Yeah, well duh, f*gs can do that too.

  • Paganplace

    “She had previously gained statewide attention as a gutsy maverick”New Rule:McCain’s campaign doesn’t get to use the word ‘Maverick’ until he re-reverses all those ‘maverick’ positions he so strongly took until he decided to rebrand himself for the Religious Right vote.

  • Paganplace

    I mean, seriously. I used to have some respect for McCain, admittedly some of it filed under ‘benefit of the Doubt,’ …but it was bold of him to stand alone against the rest of the GOP to, as someone subjected to Communist torture and conditioning for five and a half years, absolutely refuse to condone the United States of America torturing prisoners… Until a preacher asked him to say the opposite. ‘Maverick?’ Still cattle, apparently. Re-branded and all.

  • VICTORIA

    Like McCain, Palin believes that oil drilling is the only solution to our energy problems. “I beg to disagree with any candidate who would say we can’t drill our way out of our problem,” she says. She supports more drilling in protected areas of the Outer Continental Shelf and the Alaska Natural Wildlife Refuge, once attacking McCain for his “close-mindedness on ANWR.”But the Department of Energy believes that offshore drilling “would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030.” Moreover, about three-quarters of all the oil in public lands in the continental U.S. are already open to drilling – and yet only one quarter of this oil is under production. Opening the Arctic Refuge would cut gasoline prices by two cents in 17 years. For that, Palin would destroy the home of America’s native polar bears. Not even T. Boone Pickens still thinks we can drill our way out of this crisis. Palin rejects clean renewable energy that is an alternative to oil. Earlier this month, she claimed that “alternative-energy solutions are far from imminent and would require more than 10 years to develop.”Alaska has become the “poster state” for the threat of global warming as the climate gets hotter and dryer and sea levels rise. More than 100 towns are vulnerable due to eroding sea lines. Polar bears are threatened by the melting ice floas, and this month bears were spotted swimming as much as 50 miles offshore. Nonetheless, like many other oil champions, Palin is skeptical of global warming. During her gubernatorial campaign, she said she was unconvinced about how much human emissions contribute to current global warming trends. Palin also opposes listing our polar bears as a threatened species because it could require action on climate change. As Carl Pope of the Sierra Club says, “No one is closer to the oil industry than Governor Palin.” Sarah Palin has taken positions that would ensure a continuation of the Bush-Cheney energy policies. She supports drilling everywhere and ignores the need for binding reductions in global warming pollution even though her state is melting. The continuation of these policies will continue higher energy costs, more severe hurricanes and droughts, and despoiled natural treasures.

  • NE Patriot

    She’s a religious nut bag who believes her thoughts and lifestyle should be everyone’s thoughts and lifestyle. Enough said. All set. I’m neither Dem or Reb. Thanks.”Tim:Here is an article outlining some of Palin’s work as governor in Alaska.”

  • NotSoGreatScot

    Tim: Your cut and paste jobs seems to have missed this paragraph:”However, Mrs Palin is not entirely free of scandal. She is currently under investigation by the state legislature for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal of the commissioner for public safety, Walter Moneghan. Mr Moneghan alleges that he was fired because he was reluctant to sack a state trooper who was involved in a bitter divorce and custody battle with her sister, Molly McCann. The governor is said to be co-operating with the investigation, which is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French.” Funny how you managed to get all the text before and after….

  • VICTORIA

    Rebecca- obviously you don’t know me on these boards- If you can’t bother to use your own brain and reasoning to make an articulate point- Don’t try phoning it in with youtube. WE CANNOT DRILL OUR WAY OUT OF THIS ENERGY MESS- First- we will not even see the first drop of oil for FIVE YEARS trillions of dollars in debt- and your rebuttal is a PICNIC VIDEO???

  • VICTORIA

    Despite your incredibly provincial take on this NATIONAL race, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt to make your case Rebecca.

  • B-man

    Creationism taught as science in our children’s classrooms just joined the Republican ticket. I’m so ashamed for America.

  • Jim Talbot

    Wow !! A Washington maverick and a State Reformer.Now that’s change I can believe inNot only that but a dynamic womenCreates the audacity to hopeMove over Matthews …. I feel a tingle running up my leg

  • monel

    This article was a complete waste of time. Gov. Palin gets admiration from evangelicals! Hell, this is the group that held and in some cases still hold, respect and admiration for the failed president that still occupies the Oval Office(when he is not on vacation somewhere). Please…the only thing you have to do to get support from the religious reich is say you are pro-life, you love jesus, you hate Darwin and guns are in the bible. If you do it well enough they will send you money too.

  • Cletus

    I did not realize ’til this article that membership in the NRA was a tenet of Evangelical Christianity. I do think the VP pick was a good one for McCain, though.

  • valleyforge

    TIRED OF THE WAPO POOPAGANDA AND WANT TO HEAR ABOUT PALIN FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HER? GO HERE:

  • karlmarx

    vote for my man obama, whose mother had great influence on his life, his on words, about the only words he says I believe…….his mother was an atheist and a marxist and this influence led him to wright’s church…….i don’t think he was sleeping for 20 years……want socialism……vote obamalinbiden!

  • Marc Edward

    Good for Palin to get elected governor of Alaska. Of course when it was thought that Obama would pick the governor of Virginia, Karl Rove said that Kaine had only been governor for 3 years, Virginia was a small state, and his time running the city of Richmond didn’t count because Richmond was a “small town”. Tim claims that Palin has a “keen grasp of the issues” yet she has no opinion on any national issue other than if your wife is raped you get to raise your the rapists kid. Wow, talk about pro-family. Palin seems to have little going for her than ambition and her looks. Her level of education is far, far below Obama’s. She couldn’t get admitted to the schools Obama went to, let alone get a scholorship. No doubt when she is asked tough questions she will hide behind her kids, playing the “how dare you question the mother of a baby with down’s syndrom”. McCain care’s less about our country’s security than in getting his swollen old rear end into the WH. I have more respect for Dubya at this point – Rove, Cheney and Dubya were right – McCain has become a kiss up and a coward.

  • VICTORIA

    I’m still waiting to see Palin’s accomplsihments- Give us a laundry list- So far we have, the first 7 of the 9 are not accomplishments that garner admiration of intellect give us some distinction, a quote- anything!

  • Bill

    Evangelicals inspired by Palin. What a surprise. Objectively rated as the least prepared Vice Presidential candidate in American history.But they don’t care. They don’t see any problem with what has happened over the last 8 years either. They are part of the 15% who think the country is going in the right direction. They still adore George Bush. And they are useful idiots, who the Republican party takes advantage of every four years. Very like trained dogs – when you give them the signal, they obey. This is not all evangelicals mind you, but they know who they are. But we are not going to just stand there and take it – this a promise. We will stop you from damaging our beloved country beyond repair.

  • VICTORIA

    So far we have vague allusions to a greatness that never manifest with accomplishments. And claims of popularity as a substantial reason to lead the free world. This isn’t high school. Winning a beauty pagaent, being a great point guard on your basketball team- are not a sufficient resume. Again- no one has a word to endorse that acutal candidate.

  • hunt&fish

    heck yeah, so what if mccain has a bunch of houses….obama lives in a million $$$$ house and so does his former pastor wright…..you really think they care about the poor…..yeah…..as long as the $$$$$$$$ keep coming in…..want to live in russia……vote obama!

  • Anonymous

    “Evangelicals inspired by Palin. What a surprise.”Bill if you are right and the evangelical vote gets behind the McCain/Palin ticket— The 4th day in November is gonna be a sad day in Mudville for the Obama people.

  • wow

    you can find people who don’t like santa claus and santa’s mother was no communist… obama keeps saying his momma was a christian from the heartland…Stanley Ann was an atheist and proud of it……kinda like hillary being proud of everything but being a wife to slick willy!

  • Marc Edward

    jerry writes Losing a beauty contest and procreating are “accomplishments” but they hardly make leadership material.”Is it that she prefers the work of women like wife of Obama’s friend William Ayers”Ayer’s isn’t a friend of Obama. Are you ignorant or a liar? In either case, why take anything you have to say seriously ever again? If McCain/Palin is such a good ticket, why is your only argument to tear down Obama? Perhaps because you know that McCain/Palin is a pretty poor ticket?Game set and match, baby!

  • DEMwit

    With all these negative posts about Palin from these cool aid drinking socialists I think the DEMs are scared…….what’s new!

  • TJ

    McCain/Religious Vagina ’08Yippie. Here comes the evangelical ’00 ’04 disaster again.Stupid, stupid people.

  • TJ

    Diana Wright writes: “In fact, her using this child as an election issue & bringing the child out before cameras shows an essential tackiness & cheapness of character totally unbefitting anyone who claims the name of Christian.”I agree, but you have to admit that that child is the perfect poster kid to represent the Republican party and their supporters.

  • Jason

    Mareen said “Shattered Economy”What shattered economy? It is for the greedy lenders and buyers who wanted something they could not afford. Unemployment is still very low and things aren’t easy but who said they were supposed to be? Life is not easy on this side lady, and Obama is not going to make things easier…no matter what his telepromter tells him to say.Think I am picking on Nobama? List one legislative achievement he had that does not include renaming a post office? You can’t can you? Change is nothing. Reform is what we need.

  • Roy

    What experience does she have to be President other than pandering to neochristians with creationism, delusional denial of global warming and a record as a shill for big oil?

  • pontificator

    If there were ever any doubts about McCain’s cynicism, hubris, or lust for the Presidency at any cost – here’s all the proof you need. This is truly a hollow man that would lead the nation. Incredibly, half the country supports this joker – and we thought folks were tired of Bush. His mindless legacy lives on in McCain……

  • Marc Edward

    Anonymous writes “Governor Palin signed Senate Bill 4 at the Governor’s Annual Picnic in Anchorage. Senate Bill 4, passed during the special session, creates the Senior Benefits Program. Eligible seniors may receive up to $250 a month based on their income.”Key phrase being “Eligible seniors may receive up to $250 a month based on their income”Eligible?No indication how generous this is. Given the rise in fuel prices, that paltry amount could leave seniors who heat with oil or gas freezing.Nice try!

  • The Audacity of Democrats

    Diana Wright writes: “In fact, her using this child as an election issue & bringing the child out before cameras shows an essential tackiness & cheapness of character totally unbefitting anyone who claims the name of Christian.”I agree, but you have to admit that that child is the perfect poster kid to represent the Republican party and their supporters.——————————————–Unfortunately, the Democrats are showing their true colors. It’s okay for Obama to parade his family around on stage, but it’s not okay for Governor Palin to have all of her children with her on such an important day in her life?Well if you have a problem with Governor Palin loving her down syndrom baby boy as much as she loves her other children, then that’s your problem. ButBarack Obama is your man then, because he was not moved when a nurse testified before the Illinois State Senate about a down syndrome baby boy who survived a botched abortion only to struggle for his life for 45 minutes with no one offering medical care to keep him alive. Obama voted against a bill (three times!) that would have granted the right to medical care to babies who had the audacity to survive a botched abortion.

  • hmmmmmer

    On the issue of faith and evangelicals I am wondering since God didn’t see fit to smite Obama in Mile High Stadium are they going to vote for him since Gustav is going to damage the Republican convention? What they prayed for is happening to them, is it because God is angry at their hateful pursuit of Obama and his family?

  • Maggie

    The selection of Palin is an insult to the intelligence of every American voter – particularly women. McCain had already locked down the base – the abortion voters – where are they going to go? Why Palin?Do they honestly think that Clinton supporters will fall behind a ticket with McCain and his abyssmal record on womens issues? Couple him with a far right wing abortion extremist as vp, and independent and centrist women will not just walk, but run away from the McCain – Palin ticket. Women were looking to Clinton as a proponent of womens issues. Palin is the antithesis of Clinton. Those votes won’t come. In fact I believe the reverse will be true. He has insulted the intelligence and the accomplishments of women by selecting Palin – and that anger will translate into votes for Obama.I think this was a rash political decsion that reflects poorly on mccains judgement and the level of seriousness he has on this election and the issues. I’m insulted that he honestly thinks that the American electorate will buy that Sara Palin is qualified to step in as president if necessary. Maybe someone should tell McCain that this selection was for the vice president of the United States, not the Waskill, Alaska school board.

  • rohitcuny

    I don’t particularly enjoy the policies of Bush being continued four more years. But when I see so much venom about Palin coming from Democratic pens,Has the idea of “respect for fellow Americans” totally gone out the window? Democrats complain about Swiftboating, but they seem to be champions at it.A pity for the country, which needs more unity and less hatred.

  • Anonymous

    My two cents as an outsider:People claim to be non-partisan and fair, yet all assessment of Senator Obama is filled with favoritism by Democrats/leaning towards Democrats. It is understandable Republicans after eight years of some unwise politics are not exactly popular and it is in the nature of the voting public to want change, any change, change for the sake of change. For that reason alone Senator Obama will win the election. He will also win the election for another reason – the US *wants* to make history by electing a black president. It is a great symbolic gesture. His blackness is only symbolic to a great extent because Senator Obama is not the typical black American of slave extraction who can talk of a rag to riches personal journey. He is the son of a single white mother who happened to have a child by a privileged black African man and was raised by white well to do grandparents. His white grandmother, who was vice president of a bank, for whom he was only one two grandchildren, isn’t exactly what most black Americans have. Those who complain that Senator Obama has lived a privileged life and cannot really identify with the black American suffering, *from his personal experience* are right. He grew up in Hawaii where mixed race is common and his father as the only black overseas student from Africa was exotic rather than inferior. Living as the son of a white American woman and stepson of an American qualified well to do native Indonesian is also a privileged place to be. Attending an almost all white, expensive school in Hawaii, supported by well to do grandparents is again not an example of struggling in society, especially considering Hawaii is multiracial and being a “hapa” was not a shame.Electing a black president is sure to give the US a great image boost around the world. Other black international representatives – Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice.All that said, the merit of Senator Obama’s election campaign promises can be judged only after he has actually taken office and has proved himself. He and the Democrats well deserve to be given a chance to prove themselves. But it is not fair to give credit to Senator Obama in advance, and to criticize Senator McCain and his pick of VP in advance.Senator Obama has many admirable qualities, the greatest of which is his ability to inspire. But due credit must be given to a hero behind the scenes who first came up with the idea Senator Obama was the man who could be made to an inspiration – David Axelrod, the ex-mediaman, business, and political consultant who has the genius to market a person like a product. Without David Axelrod, it might never have occurred to Senator Obama to have the kind of audacity of hope that he did. There is another David, another genius working behind the scenes for Senator Obama, David Plouffe, the campaign manager, who masterminds a grassroots vote and money collecting strategy, so that Senator Obama has literally millions and millions of dollars at his disposal through donations of the smallest amounts from millions of supporters.Senator Obama has been presented in the best light possible, his strengths highlighted and his weaknesses played down. That is politics 101. That is precisely why Senator McCain and his VP pick must be treated with fairness. To play down their strengths and highlight their weaknesses is political rivalry 101.

  • Anonymous

    I have some concerns about McCain’s choice for Vice President Mrs. Sarah Palin. Is is obvious that she is pro life, and with 5 children she either wanted a big family or does not use birth control. She is still young enough to conceive you know, she still has some years to go before menopause. Now, my guess is that she does not use birth control, which is fine if that is what she believes in. My concern is this; what if she becomes pregnant while she is in office? What if McCain became ill or dies? After all he is 72 years old, it could happen. Will she have to go on maternity leave? If she becomes pregnant will she want to breast feed her new born in between meetings? What is her stance on motherhood? Is she a mother first and a Vice President second? Or vice versa? Will she have a play pen in her office while she meets with government officials and heads of states? What if the baby cries? Or she goes into post partum depression? Are these questions out of line or legitimate concerns for my country? Maria McClain

  • Maria McClain

    I have some concerns about McCain’s choice for Vice President Mrs. Sarah Palin. It is obvious that she is pro life, and with 5 children she either wanted a big family or does not use birth control. She is still young enough to conceive you know, she still has some years to go before menopause. Now, my guess is that she does not use birth control, which is fine if that is hat she believes in. My concern is this; what if she becomes pregnant while she is in office? What if McCain became ill or dies? After all he is 72 years old, it could happen. Will she have to go on maternity leave? If she becomes pregnant will she want to breast feed her new born in between meetings? What is her stance on motherhood? Is she a mother first and a Vice President second? Or vice versa? Will she have a play pen in her office while she meets with government officials and heads of states? What if the baby cries? Or she goes into post partum depression? Are these questions out of line or legitimate concerns for my country?

  • NE Patriot

    I love how the Evangelicals preach love, respect, and helping thy neighbor but if said neighbor is gay, for pro-choice, or believes in true science over religion in classrooms they don’t count. What a contradiction. Human’s are the cancer of the Earth. We consume, destroy, and kill each other. We make up our own Gods and oppress other humans that don’t believe in the same God. How many Gods are there anyway? What I don’t understand is how so many people lack this simple common sense. In all the millions of years has there been another species on this Earth who has done more to destroy their own home? Destroy their own species? And make up their own Gods with which to fight, war, and destroy over? Does this really make sense to you? Do you really believe that your God is real but that person’s God isn’t? I can’t even grasp this concept. All humans are is a breading Earth cancer. Like a disease that invades our own bodies. Get over yourselves. Face the facts. Humans are nothing more then what they’ve made themselves into in their minds. We’re a cancer, a disease of the Earth. Too stupid to even understand that basic fact. Yet they think all life is under them, and their personal Gods are their savors. How can a reasonable, common sense human brain think like this?

  • Lindel

    It is almost like McCain set out to find a poor, female version of Governor George W Bush.We have had 8 years of Christian Fundamental Governor from Texas George W Bush in Washington DC. He was a wildly popular governor in Texas before he came to washington and screwed the country up.Now we have a proposal to send another Christian Fundamentalist Governor from a state even farther out west, also popular in her home state. Some how this poor female version of GW will take us away from the GW administration?

  • Anonymous

    The typical bias in action in the previous post.Governor Sarah Palin has managed her life as a career woman while raising FOUR children, without feeling the need to abort any child to pursue her career. She did not want to abort a child with Down’s Syndrome in a world where women abort healthy children for convenience. It must be seen as her strength as a woman, rather than the other way around.Judge her skills based on what she has done with the power she had. If she has managed her little power well, she will manage her big power when she is given that power. On a national stage she is only VP, not the President. Presidents and VPs have an army of advissers behind them who help them make decisions; they are not frontline foot soldiers engaged in war who must make split second decisions on their own. Senator Obama and Senator Biden have their army of advisers too.In the days of monarchy sometimes children suddenly found themselves on the throne forced to “rule” their country after their fathers were killed in battle or uprisings. They managed because advisers did their jobs. That is what advisers are there for.It is the same in democracies. Political advisers and speech writers do the bulk of brain work behind the scenes of a politician. Seventy two is not an age when people are expected to die of old age. As to dying of sudden illness or accident, even a forty year old can die. The criteria of sudden death holds good for *all.*

  • Bridget

    So the Palin selection was done strictly to energize the evangelical base…Ok, same old gop hooey.Obama has also done some energizing too – but he’s energized a nation. Let me know when the McCain – Palin ticket is able to draw 85,000 enthusiastic supporters to any campaign related event. I’ll bet Obama’s nation trumps McCains base.

  • Secular

    Are these guys that dumb? They are praising her for not aborting, when she knew her child would have down syndrome. I am wondering she and her husband are so stupid and horny that they do not give a crap if they bring a child with down syndrome. When it is well know that pregnancies when the woman is in her 40s is fraught with such results. Couldn’t the dumb husband have vasectomy and this horny woman couldn’t have her tubes tied? Or haven’t they heard of the pill or raincoat. Did they think this was god’s gift and their fornication had nothing to do with the pregnancy? How dumb is this Grandpa Munster? Isn’t there no one else in the grand old party who is conservative enough to attract enough jesus crowd come home? When I hear this kind of crap, is when I am ashamed of being an American.

  • Anonymous

    Women do not get pregnant very often after the age of 44. Even among the very young, after child birth there is usually a natural safe period of about two years. Among the married in the pre-contraceptive era, when no one felt a need to limit pregnancies, one would notice that children are usually two years apart.

  • Jay

    The Democrats are mad because the Republicans have nominated someone with not a lot of qualificiations and experience. That was their idea first! I hear Biden may get a sex change to even things up! Perhaps he won’t have to get any more hair transplants when those female hormones kick in.

  • jessica

    Secular said- “I am ashamed of being an American”We agree. I’m ashamed you are an American too.

  • Patriots??

    NE Patriot said “How can a reasonable, common sense human brain think like this?”You appearently hate both God and your fellow man so you clearly belong in the Democratic Party with the rest of them wanting change but have a problem defining the term. What do you propose past killing ourselves? If we evolved from rocks (as you seem to believe) and there is no such thing as true good or evil, then what do you care what we do since we are just a happy accident anyway which scientists can’t seem to reproduce.

  • Anonymous

    Maria McClain, as a woman you must know that contraception can fail and does in many cases. The high rate of abortions in spite of widespread use of contraception is proof of it.If you, as a woman, choose to say Governor Palin should have aborted her child because it had Down’s Syndrome, that is a different matter. Many women love their sick and handicapped children. All women know that the embryo/fetus in their womb is their growing child. Many women choose to love them even if the children are not perfect. Have you a problem with unconditionally loving mothers?

  • NE Patriot

    Dormant cancer cells live through the host body and do no harm. They actually work with the body doing normal cell work to help the host body survive. When a cancer cells become active they seek out and destroy a particular areas within the host body. They consume other cells and will even destroy other fellow cancer cells in order to gain a foothold in the area it wants. Once enough cancer cells consume the host body the body dies, killing the very cells that became active and did the initial destroying. It’s a cycle that ends it’s own self. When a human is born on it’s host body, the Earth, they grow and seek out areas of this host body to consume and use. Many humans are dormant and live on the host body without doing too much harm. Many times they will work with the host body to help other humans grow and survive. When a human becomes active enough though it will seek out areas on the host body and destroy it, destroying other humans in the process. When enough of this happens the host body or it’s surrounding bodies will wipe out the infected body’s disease and start fresh.This cycle continues for billions of years. Unless of course the human can figure out how to become airborne. In which case it will seek out other host bodies within it’s universe with which to consume and destroy off of. Once the human figures out how to jump from host to host and survive it becomes a serious airborne disease that may never stop. Destroying other humans and other host bodies until there’s nothing left to consume and destroy. Is this really what your God had in mind?

  • NE Patriot

    I’m neither Dem or Repub or anything else. I’m a small human who’s just watching it’s fellow humans act like the disease they are. I’m perfectly okay with that though. I’ll live my tiny existence on this Earth, happy and doing my thing. Living my life by my guidelines. Not some God’s guidelines. I’m smart enough to understand what’s right and wrong. Then I’ll die and flicker out like a candle. Like I was never really here, except for the small footprint of consuming and destroying I did on my host body while here. In the grand scheme of things my life, as all human life, won’t really matter. I’m fine with that too. What’s scary for the rest of the host bodies out there is we’ve started to become airborne, starting in the 1960’s.

  • USneedsObama

    to Audacity of Democrats–check your facts. Obama did not vote against providing medical care to babies born alive. That is a smear that has been corrected over and over—some people just don’t care to hear the truth. There is a law in Illinois that would have provided the medical care in spite of the legislation, but that legislation was never meant to become law. The provision you are probably referring to was placed into a larger piece of legislation, just for a wedge issue like this. The republicans created that just to be able to say someone voted against this issue. It’s misleading and the worst hypocracy—but it works to upset folks who won’t check the facts, or choose to think the worst.

  • Wayne

    People who are against McCain and his VP choice

  • anonymous

    And this was the one year I thought the Christians, and especially the Evangelicals might really embrace a broader Christian agenda of helping the poor, taking care of the least advantaged and the planet. That was too much to hope for–it’s back to a two-note agenda of abortion and fear. That’s why, as an Evangelical, I will vote with the Democrats—-who more than the Rep. react and behave much more like Jesus teaches. Abortions were down when the Democrats provided education and support for women who chose to bear a child, and put it up for adoption rather than terminate that pregnancy. They went up during the Bush-Cheney years, and would continue to go up under McCain because he will do nothing to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, or support women who chose to bear that child. The answer is just outlaw abortion. That makes sense. Just as it makes sense to give 90% of the Republican tax breaks to the wealthiest top 2%, and nothing to 100 million working Americans. Republicans, you will need to own that when you have to give an account of what you did while on this earth.

  • Paganplace

    ” Jay:”The Democrats are mad because the Republicans have nominated someone with not a lot of qualificiations and experience.”In which alternate universe does about eighteen months as a governor of Alaska, and dealing with corruption allegations while having another baby count as ‘a lot of experience?’ Especially since apparently Obama didn’t have enough, not so long ago, and while Republicans don’t seem to be considering that Mccain’s age and ill health mean that if this ticket were elected, there’s a considerable likelihood he wouldn’t be able to serve out his whole term. No, he’s hoping to just get the Religious Right vote with his recent panderings, pretend he can steal the Dem’s thunder about a ‘historic ticket’ and point out the Assemblies-of-God-raised ‘model conservative Christian woman’ oil industry darling as a placeholder for the ‘Moral Values’ he’s not shown, himself. She’s very popular in Alaska, (And who wouldn’t be, after the morass of Republican corruption they’ve had up there in recent years) but she’s an empty pantsuit down here, for the most part. Who is she? Does she have a voting record? Now we need some *substance,* not just telling the radical Right (or letting them believe they’re getting) what they want to hear. This move represents pandering to the ‘base,’ and little more. We’ll see what she has to say for herself, I suppose. But after all the attacks on Obama on the very basis he’s supposed to be ‘unqualified,’ even though more experienced than her, you have to ask, ‘Is she really ready to be President,’ come down to it? Not to let a little question like that bother anyone.

  • Patriott?

    NE Patriot, That was impressive response!!! It was almost verbatim from the movie Matrix. Agent Smith “You move to an area. And you multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Humans beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet…and we are the cure.”Do you have an original thought yourself? So I have my Bible and you have yours. Yours just happens to be called the Sci-Fi Channel.

  • Jay

    PaganPlace,Please list one legislative accomplishment of Nobama besides the renaming of a post office that qualifies him for anything???? Don’t rant about Bush. Just answer the question.

  • johng1

    Holy crap, another evangelical nut! We’ve been patient for eight years with these idiiiotic people. ENOUGH! NO MORE. The Flintstones were not historical fact!!!

  • taichilo

    The Last Warrior, John McCain’s last calling and Gov. Sarah Palin“We will win in Iraq war, even I lost this election, and we need to win, not a retreat!”The Vietnam syndrome haunted a lot Wiseman, scholars, old and new necons, generals and old soldiers. Especially John McCain, a former POW. Hero should win his name and medals in war not in the “Hanoi Hilton Hotel”-a tortured prison camp! Unfortunately McCain, the bravest McCain was the five-year in the prison camp McCain! I understand why McCain does not want to be General. He wants to be President of United States America! The POW history haunted him!I respect Senator McCain. Unfortunately, this time McCain’s opponent is Preacher Barack Obama (PBO)! PBO knows how to talk, talk like Martin Luther King, He can dance, he can preach! He can give you dream: Change! No one cares he can delivers real change or not!I like John! After the most suffered 8 yr under Mr. Bush’s Administration. Even the former necon Francis Fukuyama declared in Australia it is bad enough! Republican Party does not deserve 4 more years. The majority of Americans feel it, see it! You name it: the choice of the wrong Iraq war, the astronomical deficit- 9 trillion and more to come, recession economy, house bubble and heavy foreclosure, use taxpayer money to reward the wall-street risk taker in the name of too big to fall! Oh!! We never forget the name, Katrina, Katrina! The latest, Russia humiliates us in the Georgia incident. Putin knew we are in post and weak American era! Whose fault? Of course not John McCain’s. But McCain again has to be POW of Bush!I like John McCain, but not the major media guys in MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NYT, NBC, WASHTINGTON POST…. Including some pundits in FOX AND WSJ. Most of them made a lifetime of mistake, to support Mr. Bush’s Iraq war. Now they need to compensate their mistake, they favor Preacher Obama to save their sins- to sell their souls to Bush, Cheney and the high school kid named Karl Rove! “How stupid! I AM! Save me, feel me Preacher Obama! Please be our President!”Most the recent poll shows it is a closed race, however the major media guys and pundits do not agree, they thought this year is Democrat, POB year. After POB picked the seasoned and 36 yrs congressman, Joe Biden as his VP, they favor POB even more, some of the pundits may cry privately while POB delivers his acceptance speech in the 84000 people attended Invesco Field of Denver. POB again used his preaching skill, promised to change health care, education, national policy, economy…. etc., you name it, you got it! However how to deliver them, remain to be seen and most of policies are too good to be true! Most pundits love it! The Harvard professor turns Pundits of CNN loved the speech very much too! Masterpieces! The attendees danced and cried! What a show! It was bigger than John F Kennedy in the half –emptied seat in Los Angeles Memorial coliseum in 1960. The night of August 28, 2008. Preacher Obama became GOD in Denver!!Until the Last warrior of Vietnam, McCain picked a lady from no where, (The pundit said, not me! Lady Palin is very famous in Alaska!), named Sarah Palin, the Governor of Alaska on the date of Aug. 29! This pick first shows Sen McCain who has the quality to be the Commander in Chief of America! To my personal humble opinion, Gov. Palin is self-made legend from grass root. A common good bigger than Sen., Hillary. It is very hard for a female politician survived in the BIG BOYS CLUB in Alaska. In the club,they have the ruthless and steely Uncle Ted, cunning and lofty Frank Murkowski and the more moneyed Tony Knowles. Gov Palin out played them with a reformed agenda and no- corrupted policies (at least until now!) A mother of five came from a grass root and humble family, no Yale and Harvard just Idaho University education. A small town mayor, then Governor, finally the Vice-president of the GOP! Gov. Palin deservers it. If the less experienced and no executive experienced Preacher Obama qualify to be a president! Gov Palin no way, no how not qualify to be a vice-president and just in case of The President of United States!Now the ball game is totally changed, POB has the good side McCained Joe Biden. The former navy officer has the good side OBAMAED Palin! To my humble opinion, the race from now on is even and slightly favor to Sen. McCain. It is because he uses a very breakthrough strategy, a female and capable, a fresh Washington outsider turns VP to counter the Change of Preacher Obama and most importantly she may rally the 18 millions supporters of Sen. Hillary! In Chinese military terms: to surprise your opponent and attacked his unprepared weak front! McCain almost out of anyone’s expectation deploys Gov. Palin to the front of the battle, scaring the Democrat, choking the major media, surprising his opponent, Preacher Obama at all!Congratulation! My dear Commander in Chief, John McCain! In choosing Gov. Palin, this may bring McCain to White house! To me McCain and Palin at least have 51 to 52% chance to beat the 49 to 48% of Obama-Biden ticket in a statistical dead even race!

  • VICTORIA

    Jay- the most comprehensive and sweeping ethics reform bill to hit Washington, which is what propelled him to the forefront.

  • VICTORIA

    For those who complain that the demcratic supporters are close-minded about Palin- No youtube please or wikipedia-

  • Marc Edward

    jill writes “when she gets pregnant in office, how will she handle it?”You are Catholic and believe “a woman’s place is in the home”- but the vast majority of women I know are able to advance their careers while raising healthy happy kids.”As a man who is home when his kids go to school and home when the kids get home, I sometimes wonder at people who have kids but don’t seem that interested in raising them. I wouldn’t trade the best job in the universe for the years I had raising my boys when they were babies. I know that many people cannot afford this kind of choice. However I cannot imagine what kind of career is worth not seeing your children when they wake up, not being there to teach them, etc.Brambleton writes If you don’t know the policy differences between McCain and Obama, maybe your time would be better spent doing a little reading. They have different foreign policies, different policies on taxation, and different domestic agendas. Why are you asking somebody else (and a partisan no doubt) to educate you? I do know that President Palin would be pushing a domestic agenda straight out of James Dobson, who thinks you can prevent your boy from being gay by showering him and making sure he gets a good long look at his daddy’s sex organs. Hey – why don’t you tell us what the policies of President Palin would be in regards to abortion rights? What are Palin’s positions on foreign policy? Oh, that’s right, she HAS NO POSITIONS.

  • Anonymous

    VICTORIA:ANON- “Since Senator Obama and Governor Palin are both young, compare the skills needed to be a Congressman vs skills needed to be Governor.”I’m assuming you think that Obama is a congressman. He is a Senator.There are 435 congressmen and women divided by the various state districts.There are 2 senators from each state- 100 total.Each state has 1 governor.August 31, 2008 12:59 AM———————–Thanks for info.One Governor and two Senators per state. So Senator Obama is one of two Senators from Illinois and Governor Palin is the only Governor of Alaska.

  • Marc Edward

    Paganplace writes “It’s clear that McCain chose Palin to *be* a justification for a radical right-wing anti-reproductive freedom agenda, in order to get out the blind Religious Right voters who want guns, unwanted babies, oil profits, and no social supports… and little else.”Mostly agree with you there. However as I understand it, every citizen of Alaska gets a yearly welfare check representing their share of Alaska’s oil money. They don’t hate “social supports” as long as it goes to Republicans. Many people in red states like to boast “I don wan any help from the guvmint” but these same states take much more from the federal government than they ever take in (drive through Alabama someday if you can stomach it). “She’s the least qualified VP canidate in *history,* to the point she actually recently said she doesn’t even know what the job *entails.*”Not sure how much water the “qualified” argument holds. Nixon, Ford, Carter, and both Bush Presidents were more qualified than Obama, and all were disasters. I totally disagree with much of what Palin stands for, but from what I read she is tough and smart, just wrong on every issue.”And, I’m sorry, but raising a special needs child is a full-time job, and the office of Vice President of the United States is *much more than full time job, too.* Being unrealistic about that is neither a sign of good governmental potential, nor in fact, good motherhood.”Totally agree with you there. She get’s an F in her mothering skills. Seems (like you’d expect of a failed beauty queen) more interested in the limelight than raising her kids and her new baby. FFS, a new baby needs breast feeding every couple of hours! How is she gonna feed her baby every couple of hours and handle a grueling campaign? Is she gonna be pumping while she speaks to her rabid right wing followers? My guess is that the new baby will get the short end of the stick so she can persue her “career”.

  • Anonymous

    VICTORIA:This is your PSA, so, the more you know…August 31, 2008 12:59 AM ——————PSA = Prostate Specific Antigen?

  • Paganplace

    “”She’s the least qualified VP canidate in *history,* to the point she actually recently said she doesn’t even know what the job *entails.*”””Not sure how much water the “qualified” argument holds. Nixon, Ford, Carter, and both Bush Presidents were more qualified than Obama, and all were disasters.”Well, there’s got to be a practical lower limit somewhere. Certainly McCain harped on the ‘inexperience’ of people far more experienced than who he ended up picking himself. Not, I imagine, that the Religious Right voters expect a prospective President to make *sense* or anything.

  • Anonymous

    “And, I’m sorry, but raising a special needs child is a full-time job, and the office of Vice President of the United States is *much more than full time job, too.*Please don’t go there. You are raising the spector of the Kennedy family giving an imperfect child a lobotomy.Your attacks against Sarah Palin’s mothering skills have no basis. The Palins are blessed that their kids are moving through their teens without the troubles (drugs and suicide) that so many children of the elite display. Think about it before you launch an attack. You look soulless and mean-spirited.

  • Anonymous

    Corrected:Women do not get pregnant very often after the age of 44. Even among the very young, after child birth, there is usually a natural safe period of about FIFTEEN MONTHS. Among the married in the pre-contraceptive era, when no one felt a need to limit pregnancies, one would notice that children are usually two years apart.August 30, 2008 10:58 PMIt would be noticed in the pre-contraceptive era when women married young, they did not usually have more than four to six children. There were only very few exceptions to this rule. They might have had three or four miscarriages or a couple of stillbirths at most. Back alley abortions were sought out only in cases when women became pregnant out of wedlock or in obvious cases of cheating wives within wedlock.So there seems to have been a natural contraception at work which limited the number children a woman bore during her years of fertility.

  • Anonymous

    Miscarriages and stillbirths is loss of pregnancy due to natural causes before and after the 20th week respectively.

  • Marc Edward

    Anonymous writes “Please don’t go there.”It’s fair to ‘go there’ because Palin and most people on your side keep bringing up the fact that she’s a mother and her motherhood somehow makes her more qualified.”You are raising the spector of the Kennedy family giving an imperfect child a lobotomy.”No Kennedy is running for the White House – where your lobotomy remark comes from I have no idea.”Your attacks against Sarah Palin’s mothering skills have no basis.”Yes they do. There is no reason Palin shouldn’t be taking care of her kid other than she likes being on TV. Any new baby takes a lot of attention – why doesn’t Palin, who your side celebrates as a “great MOM” want to be with her new baby? Because it isn’t perfect? I have no idea, but it’s legit question.”The Palins are blessed that their kids are moving through their teens without the troubles (drugs and suicide) that so many children of the elite display.”There is no evidence that the Palin’s kids have or have not been taking drugs. Most parents seem able to raise their kids without the kids taking their own lives, so your bizarre “suicide” angle is a bit silly.

  • Anonymous

    Governor Palin may not stand much of a chance politically against the strong Obama-Biden team. But she could use the opportunity to make a strong case for prolife at a national level in the short time that she will remain in the spotlight.A woman who combined career and motherhood without aborting her children and accepting a child with Down’s Syndrome makes for a powerful woman. She could add more value and power to career women who are prolife.

  • VICTORIA

    You’re an idiot Anon- I am vehemently pro-life- for myself, and have already walked through that fire. But many of these guys didn’t have an Admiral to live up to- and all of them were either in wheelchairs or had lost limbs or senses- So there is a BIG BIG difference in nobility done for the sake of a deep conscience- As for Palin- really really it is no big whup. She is allowing her party to use her baby as a political pawn- If she is going to bring her baby out on stage with the lights and 10,000 screaming clappin gpeople (I think that baby must have had some baby downers in it’s bottle- NO baby could sleep through that raucous applause) and where was McCain’s asopted girl on that stage? Apparently not- she will neither inherit the same as her sister, nor even be in family portraits.

  • MoisesFG

    Point Taken,I think I understand your point but how I see this is that we have to choose between Obama or McCain to be our president at least for the next 4 years and in my opinion what I see in Obama is that at least he is showing step by step that he have what it looks like some new ideas in how to rebuild USA trust with other nations, something we badly loose the last eight years by the way Washington made mistakes assuming very erratic positions. Please do not tell me you do not remember his own words when he send the troops to Iraq and how he did change positions until he send Saddam to be killed (another erratic decision because as Geneva agreement you do not surrender POW if you know they will be killed).

  • VICTORIA

    PSA=Public Service Announcement- PSA’s are those commercials where a celebrity or someone else will come on and say things like 1 in 4 people who have AIDS don’t know that they have it- or something like that. When I see that one, I always think- if THEY don’t know that they have it- how does anyone ELSE know that they don’t know? 🙂

  • Anonymous

    “I was condemning any Democrats here who are attacking Palin’s kid(s).””She get’s an F in her mothering skills. Seems (like you’d expect of a failed beauty queen) more interested in the limelight than raising her kids and her new baby.” Marc Edward you are pitifully confused.What’s wrong? Are Sarah Palin’s exective skills so outstanding- you are left accusing her of abandoning her kids for political gain?That’s lame.

  • point taken

    Brambleton – what we will see with Obama/Biden is moderation in all things – for starters. Science and medicine will certainly advance, extreme partisan Executive Office micro-meddling and ‘insider’ appointments at all levels of the federal government will quickly become a thing of the past. Folks in all branches of government will actually be free to do the jobs they were hired to do based on the management of myriad government affairs on behalf of the citizenry, without corporate-based special interests intruding – and enforced by obstructive White House policies. Separation of church and state will quickly become a reality again, and we can hope for more equitable appointments in the federal judiciary across the board & that translates to moderate judicial appoinments up to and including SCOTUS – with a real likelihood of more female appointments at all levels. As a lawyer you should salute that possibility…….In a word, we will see more fairness and far less sculduggery in government affairs. The Justice department will have other jobs besides protecting the buck-naked rear ends of various White House offenders. We will see the re-emergence of the spirit of liberalism in all it’s former glory. Best of all, the religious will still be able to practice their religions in a unencumbered fashion – as long as they don’t try and usurp the laws of the land for their own agenda. The non-religious will remain unusurped by the religious.We will cease and desist with the preemptive warmaking policies of our current administration.Diplomacy over the threat of brute force will become the linchpin of our foreign policy. The great diplomat Dag Hammarskjold would be proud. Now maybe some or all of this is unreasonably idealistic, but please do remember this: All of the above will be null and void with McCain/Palin – now surely you don’t consider that a partisan view, do you??

  • Anonymous

    VICTORIA:PSA=Public Service Announcement-That’s why the internet has a limited usage.I’m not blaming you personally- or implying anything about you Anon- it’s just my own observation-PSA’s are those commercials where a celebrity or someone else will come on and say things like 1 in 4 people who have AIDS don’t know that tshey have it- or something like that.When I see that one, I always think- if THEY don’t know that they have it- how does anyone ELSE know that they don’t know? :)August 31, 2008 1:57 AM———————-Victoria, there is a simple rule with regard to using abbreviations even among people who know exactly what the other is taking about. The first time it is used one spells out the full form first. PSA stands for many things, unlike HIV/AIDS.How does one work out statistics about one in four not knowing they have HIV/AIDS? If hospital records show that one fourth of the patients diagnosed with HIV/AIDS had been diagnosed when they sought treatment for illnesses they did not associate with an HIV infection or in a routine medical check up without any illness at all. HIV infection remains dormant for a long time, sometimes even years. Sometimes patients are diagnosed with an HIV infection only after they have progressed to the stage of full blown AIDS.

  • Anonymous

    If Governor Palin makes a science based case that abortion is killing of innocent, voiceless, defenseless children growing in their mother’s womb, and it is not about getting rid of a clump of cells or a parasite, she will have done a great service to young women who have not yet bought the pro-abortion propaganda.

  • Anonymous

    There are two other cases Governor Palin can make convincingly because of her own life: women can combine children and career; women can love children who are not perfect. Abortion is not the only option.

  • Marc Edward

    Anonymous writesYes, I certainly was, and you were wrong, and you show your typical lack of grace and class when you cannot apologize for getting something 100% wrong and laying a false accusation.”She get’s an F in her mothering skills. Seems (like you’d expect of a failed beauty queen) more interested in the limelight than raising her kids and her new baby.” Marc Edward you are pitifully confused.’Not as confused as you are. I condemn people who attack Palin’s children, and you attack me for claiming I’m saying Republicans are attacking Palin’s kids. Your side brags about her being a “great mom” making her motherhood an issue, so it’s legit to point out she’s a rather sub-par mother. Better luck next time “genius””What’s wrong?”Your side cites her motherhood as a qualification for office. I pointed out she doesn’t seem very dedictated to her new baby. If you ever become a parent maybe you’ll understand.”Are Sarah Palin’s exective skills so outstanding”We have no idea if she has any executive skills what so ever. We do know she abused her power as governor. We do know that of the few public policies she has, they are a mix of good and terrible. If you were honest (you aren’t) you’d note that I have praised some of her decisions and some aspects of her character (like intelligence and toughness). “you are left accusing her of abandoning her kids for political gain? That’s lame.”It would be if your side didn’t brag about her being such a good mother she should be President. Why is this “new mother” happy to leave her baby in the care of others so she can join a failed campaign? Isn’t her baby going to have enough problems? Doesn’t her child deserve one full time parent? Oh, that’s right – you don’t know a thing about raising kids…..Better luck next time “genius”

  • Anonymous

    Wow! Why are the nasty nasty posters on this Faith Forum repeatedly attacking the children and the parenting skills of McCain and Palin? Are they that frightened of this ticket?

  • pontificator

    Anon – give folks a break here. Palin’s mothering skills have absolutely nothing to do with her potential capacity as a VP – or even more importantly, as POTUS in the event such an occasion should arise. I personally can see Biden as President – but am having a very hard time seeing Sarah Palin in that position….maybe it’s just me. Many millions of women have good mothering skills – this has nothing to do with occupying the White House. All McCain supporters need is just a wee bit more common sense, and …..they’d be voting for Obama/Biden.

  • VICTORIA

    ANON- One takes it into context- You could pretty well assume I was not giving you your prostate specific antigen- it would not reflect what we know now- but what we surmise from past diagnoses. That is another interesting subject for another time. Statistics on AIDS in particular reflect what was- notoriously so. Not what is. I’ll assume that last post was yours. And it just wouldn’t be possible for her to get an abortion- even if it were her fervent desire. Where in the world could she find a doctor to give her an abortion- without having to killhim afterwards? I tell you from experience- it is not that big a deal. Especially when you have a nanny- babysitters, brothers,sisters, husband and a staff on call to help you and a support system with unlimited resources at your disposal. NOT having an abortion does NOT make you qualified for anything other than taking care of babies. I think about this like I do McCain’ service- Certainly it was noble of him to decide to stay- but should we imagine it was entirely altuistic and without any other considerations? If his sense of loyalty were so overwhelming and singular- it would extend into all aspects of his life- What makes true honor is the consistency of it-

  • Pam

    Richard says of Obama:You could use a writer yourself. But you’re wrong about Obama – he writes his own speeches. The PBS commentators during the convention talked at some length about this.

  • VICTORIA

    ONe more thing that sort of repulses me about McCain. Bridget who? His Bangladeshi (Bengali) adopted daughter- you know, the one he and Cindy lied about Mother Teresa imploring them to take? There is not even a family photo of her. Go look- 2 photos of her on the net- Why- with all of these family values, is she not on the stage- ever?

  • VICTORIA

    ANON_ I’m not going to do your homework for you- lazy lazy brains and people

  • Anonymous

    Victoria:Powerful woman? For having a baby?August 31, 2008 3:13 AM———————-Becoming the youngest female Governor of Alaska at age 42 while being the mother of four children means nothing to you? Governor Palin did a wee bit more than having babies, IMHO.

  • VICTORIA

    I cannot believe you ANON- YOU ARE SO LAME!! pugh- eck- DISGUSTING-

  • Anonymous

    Pam:Richard says of Obama:You could use a writer yourself. But you’re wrong about Obama – he writes his own speeches.The PBS commentators during the convention talked at some length about this.August 31, 2008 3:18 AM—————–It is not without reason that Senator McCain complains of biased reporting in the US.It was UK media that first gave a little more realistic reporting about the makers of Senator Obama, and revealed the role of David Axelrod behind the scenes, the man who crafted most of that great speech in 2004 which launched Obama’s national political career.It is a well known fact politicians have speech writers. It is simply not fair to highlight speech writers of Senator McCain and pretend Senator Obama never got any help from speech writers.Politics and political rivalry 101.It is okay to support Senator Obama as a skillful politician, but it is naive to paint him as a demigod.

  • Anonymous

    Victoria:Senator McCain admitted to his moral failing during the Rev Rick Warren interview forum, his failed first marriage. His first wife granted him divorce. “The settlement included two houses, and financial support for her ongoing medical treatments due to her 1969 car accident; they would remain on good terms.”His first wife has forgiven him, so is there any point in strangers holding a grudge.Senator McCain entered politics only AFTER he was married to his second wife, who is still with him. So his personal life was known when he entered politics as long ago as 1982 and does not need to be raised 26 years later.

  • pontificator

    Anon, you’re a McCainite & you’ve got the religion. Nothing more need be said…..your mentality put us in the fix we’re in now as a country. Continue voting with whatever body part passes for your brain – and good luck on 11/4.

  • binladen

    vote osamalinbaden for socialism!check out his osoma’s momma—-stanley ann dunham….the one he describes as a Christian from the heartland……she was an admitted atheist who loved to argue the point……a true marxist from the gitgo……why else would obama attend a church like he did for 20 years and only now quit it……..he wants to be prezzzzzzzzzzz!

  • Anonymous

    Pam:Richard says of Obama:You could use a writer yourself. But you’re wrong about Obama – he writes his own speeches.The PBS commentators during the convention talked at some length about this.August 31, 2008 3:18 AM———————–A couple of weeks before DNC reporters asked David Axelrod what they could expect from Senator Obama’s acceptance speech, and he said that one could expect Obama to bring back themes of inclusiveness and unity.NOTE, David Axelrod did NOT say, “You should ask Senator Obama because he writes his own speeches and I have no way of knowing what he is going to write about!”This is a political campaign, the race for the most powerful office in the world and Senator Obama has an army of advisers behind him. He had appointed an experienced team of three to pick the right VP. That is how politics is usually done. Why be in denial of it? There is nothing to be ashamed of in being a smart politician.

  • common sense

    Either God has a perverse sense of humor or there is no God – either way, the GOP and it’s lackeys are as stupid and inane as they’ve ever been.With about half the country in this state of perpetual brain freeze, we should fall somewhere around the level of Uzbekistan or Bulgaria in terms of GNP with another 8 years of the GOP in the White House – and quality of life? Give it up – the infantile minds of closet creationists everywhere are voting for a return to the Middle Ages. Their representative is now the wannabe McCain VP. It won’t be long and we’ll be on the same footing as fundamentalist Muslims -except for the fact that we’ve got the cars and they’ve got the oil. Well, we can always drill in Alaska ……..

  • Former Christian

    To binladen,You, like Ann Coulter, believe that questioning someone’s name or belief system is all the argument you need to make. Most people with just a hair of reasoning would say to the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, “so?”.And the idea that because someone is an atheist automatically disqualifies them is akin to automatically disqualifying someone because of their gender or race. With the challenges facing us today, shouldn’t we be talking about who has a better plan for ridding us of our dependency on oil? Or, who shows the best balance between free enterprise and protective regulation? Or who’s more likely to get us into another unnecessary war?I’m more concerned about that last issue, with three young sons, saddled with debt from Bush’s desire to spread democracy around the world while not practicing it here at home, than I am about whether someone worships Odin or Zeus or Ra.

  • New Boston Yankee

    Here’s a question for Sarah Palin. If a presidential candidate selects someone he has met only once, someone unqualified even to be governor much less vice-president, what does it say about the presidential candidate? Is he putting ambition before love of country, judgment, and ethics?Oh and golly gee whiz, the prayers of those rightwing nut jobs were supposed to bring torrential rains to Denver. Whoops, they missed.

  • VICTORIA

    Since the motherhood of Palin seems to be an issue- in determining fitness for office- Fatherhood should also be examined. McCain- left his crippled wife and 3 kids, to go for the beer heiress (24 at the time he was 42) I guess we can expect a photoshop version to pop up in the near future, if anyone notices. McCain has 7 children. Biden- In 1972,when his daughter and wife were tragically killed in a car accident- Joe had just won the Senate seat- he was convinced to stay, and took his oath of office from his son’s bedside- and started the 1 1/2 commute from Wilmington to Washington which he does to this day. I think we can all agree that these are pretty petty reasons to decide who the leader of the free world will be. I spent a couple of years working for United Cerebral Palsy- with minors who had CP. Kay Bailey Hutchinson would have been the natural choice.

  • Anonymous

    Victoria, your comparisons are most amazing.You don’t find it admirable that Governor Palin chooses to have a child with Down’s Syndrome, yet your pro-abortion stand finds it perfectly logical for women to abort healthy babies.Having a child with Down’s Syndrome is a lifetime responsibility. Almost 90% of children with genetic defects get aborted, so it does take an exceptionally courageous woman to carry her pregnancy to term.You have no complaint about the strongly pro-abortion stand of Senator Obama and the fact that he voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act three times.You are looking desperately to undermine Senator McCain’s bravery as POW. Does one choose torture as POW and possible death at the hands of an enemy for some abstract family honor which is of no use to the person concerned after their death? People choose life instinctively whenever they can.Are you doing this because Senator Obama cannot boast of anything like that? I’m merely trying to be fair to Senator McCain and Governor Palin. I have no vested interest in the issue. I think the Obama-Biden ticket is a powerful one and they will win the election and do US proud. Therefore all the more reason to be fair to Senator McCain and Governor Palin.

  • Former Christian

    Karen,The point Andrea Mitchell was making in her comment was that intelligent people will judge potential candidates by their positions and not simply by what hangs (or doesn’t) between their legs.Someone who is an earnest Clinton supporter would have a hard time supporting Palin. Palin differs from Clinton in gun control, birth control, abortion rights, off-shore drilling and the war in Iraq; to name just a few.All of these positions are in synch with Obama’s. So why would a thinking Clinton supporter trade in all of Clinton’s principles for one physical similarity?

  • Anonymous

    Victoria, if Governor Palin had wanted to abort her child with Down’s Syndrome she could have done in any number of ways without having to kill the abortionist or giving her abortion away to anyone.Abortion is legal in many countries you know and abortionists are not necessary expected to ring The New York Times or The Washington Post to inform them that the Governor of Alaska just aborted her child because of Down’s Syndrome.Do give credit to the authenticity of Governor Palin. It may seem unbelievable in a world where even aborting healthy babies is considered a “right.”

  • Marc Edward

    karen writeShe sounds more like a PUMA (Hillary supporter)'”PUMA”s are not Hillary supporters. They are 99% Republicans pretending to be offended for Senator Clinton.’to me. Did you read the posts and links on Obama’s “earmarks and grants” to his Chicago buddies? She has the truth and is sharing it.’Yeah, supposedly Senator Obama helped a hospital get more donations. That sounds realy bad, helping hospitals. Wow!’Some of us are sick and tired of the Obamaniac’s mindless obsession with Obama’Many of us supported other candidates long before we supported Obama – just when it came to chosing between Obama and Clinton, Obama seemed to be a better candidate, period. You calling people names (Obananic) and casting slurs (mindless obsession) says a lot more about the weakness of your thinking. I love the truth, and so I am offended when you Republicans lie about Senator Obama. We’ve been hearing lies and smears about Obama for months, and it’s sickening. “and complete unwillingness to address the issues surrounding his campaign”What issues? He’s the best candidate. His policies are better than McCain’s. He is a better strategist and a harder worker than McCain or Clinton. Obama has been vetter 110%. Get over it!

  • New Boston Yankee

    To all those on this blog and elsewhere, I wonder whether their views would change if they heard (as many have suggested) that her 4-month old boy is not her child at all, but rather the child of Palin’s 16-year old daughter.

  • NOT anonymous!

    To Victoria and Marc Edward -Thank you for so many reasoned and, yes, compassionate posts amid a foul firestorm of ignorance and bigotry. Amid all the despicable hatred, racism, and idiocy, you give me hope – America might survive after all. But I am afraid. Such an upsurge of mindless troglodytes I have never seen before, and hope to see never again.

  • Anonymous

    Another lie being manufactured by the pro-Obama supporters. For shame!

  • common sense

    Read my lips – the worst democrat in the world is so much better than McCain/Palin, it’s hardly worth discussing. Even diehard Bush deadheads have now deserted – but here they are again, wanting a Bush megadose from a different pair……..and frankly, with less competence between them by magnitudes than Bush/Cheney. Cheney is an evil intelligence personified, whereas McCain/Palin are totally inept by comparison – evil will happen by unseen forces, with them in charge. Methinks Karl Rove is lurking nearby……. That is a very dangerous combination for this country – it’s hard to over-estimate the danger, but the McCainite deadheads plow forward.Now I was a Hillary fan some time back and she was my candidate of choice – but a democrat is a democrat – and therefore, not a republican. That’s the key to the mystery here.VOTE DEMOCRAT – VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN.

  • Marc Edward

    Common Sense what are you thinking? You supported Senator Clinton and Palin, well, she’s a woman, so both are women and isn’t that all that’s important? So what if McCain doesn’t believe in equal pay for women and Palin’s policies would make women 2nd class citizens? She’s a MOM! Doesn’t that trump policy? So what if McCain seems to tune his whole campaign around winning news cycles? So what if McCain seems to stand for nothing more than “I was a POW”? Palin is a woman!! Heck McCain was even against PORK like building levees – who needs levees anyway!Seriously, if McCain needed a woman that badly, why not Huchison or Snowe? For goodness sakes Condi Rice, as terrible as she is, is better than Palin. I don’t care for many Republicans, but the Republican women who have stuck to this party only to be snubbed for Palin……..must feel great.Side notes – Saw Senator “Howdy Doody” Grahm on Friday afternoon, trying to praise Palin, and he looked like he’d just finished a 3 hour crying fit.

  • Farnaz

    McCain’s bedfellows are getting stranger and stranger. I wonder if one can simply use some people to get elected and not get tainted by their “values.”As for Palin, hard to figure. Maybe he’s after those ordinary folks whom the Democrats know they’ve offended with elitist pronouncements and airs of superiority. Given the the dearth of reasoned discourse in this campaign, McCain might have made a good decision, a choice that will play well on “The View,” in WaPo, the Times, on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc. Where are we going, I wonder. Where have we been?

  • Anonymous

    New Boston Yankee:To all those on this blog and elsewhere, I wonder whether their views would change if they heard (as many have suggested) that her 4-month old boy is not her child at all, but rather the child of Palin’s 16-year old daughter.August 31, 2008 5:16 AM——————-Anonymous:Another lie being manufactured by the pro-Obama supporters. For shame!August 31, 2008 5:41 AM

  • VICTORIA

    It reinforces the PERCEPTION that the democrats are disunified and split with bitterness over Hillary not being nominated- but in reality there were only a total of 37 PUMA protestors at the DNC- also the GOP can lay claim to having (if) elected the first woman-

  • Farnaz

    On the right, not everyone is a good-old-gal-or guy. There are as many with excellent ivy league educations on the right as on the left with Justice Roberts an excellent case in point. There are, as well, those not quite so priveleged, among them a middle-middle class that feels talked down to, hence all the religiosity-in both camps, a working class, the working poor, alienated from their own economic interests, tired of the condescension. So now we’ve got this good old gal, a mom, a mother of a child with Downs Syndrome, no less, pro-life, pro-the other couple of things she’s thought about, anti-the other few, a beauty pagent winner, a down home girl.What’s not to like? But, er, sorry. This one isn’t going to fill the eighteen million cracks that Clinton made.

  • Farnaz

    I don’t think I’d go so far as to say the Dems are disunified. However, Democratic disappointment and disgust about the primary is quite real, as Gov. Richards made clear the other day. I think that more than reinforcing a perception is at play. The GOP is going to cure the sexism that was so blatant, so rampant during the Democratic Primary, you see. And if we women didn’t learn that through the “Debbie” commercial, we surely know it now with Palin.Populists have the floor–in both parties.

  • Brambleton

    Victoria,Did you actually watch the convention? I’m guessing you missed at least the half dozen or so interviews with people at the convention that I saw who were still upset with the whole “as Hillary supporters, we feel slighted and disrespected by Obama.”Then google “Hillary Clinton roll call votes at convention” and see how many articles you find where delegates were begging for the opportunity to cast their votes for Hillary.Nothing is to say that Obama won’t win over the sizeable population of Hillary supporters who have yet to throw their vote in the ring, but until then, let’s not be naive enough to think that everything is roses for the Democratic party.BEWARE THE WARREN HARDING EFFECT.

  • Farnaz

    “Nothing is to say that Obama won’t win over the sizeable population of Hillary supporters who have yet to throw their vote in the ring, but until then, let’s not be naive enough to think that everything is roses for the Democratic party.”I can’t honestly believe that the majority of Clinton supporters will vote for McCain. The politics of the two are radically different. HOwever, at this point, I do suspect that some won’t vote at all, which isn’t a very good idea. A big part of the problem for many Clintonites was the way the media dealt with her during the campaign, giving free reign to sexism. I honestly don’t know what Obama can do to win over those who are still distressed about that. PRomising to appoint a woman to this or that position won’t do it. Somehow, he’s got to give the impression that he stands With Clinton on important issues, in other words, make clear his respect for her for as long as necessary, do unity. He’s good at rhetoric, can figure out something if he tries, but it won’t be easy. After all, he is the candidate, and must remain the focus of attention.

  • MoisesFG

    Victoria,Sorry, but I follow the whole convention, and I’m planning the same with Republicans this week.The point is I did not see your point, I did see obama saying thank you to Hillary and also talking about women rights in his agenda. The thing he did not selected Hillary as his running mate does not mean he disrespected women at all. McCain did not choose any of his competitors but they still supporting him as well as Hillary still supporting Barack Obama. That’s a matter of pure politics.MoisesFG

  • Anonymous

    There is talk among the Hillary PUMAs that they will vote Mccain in now and run with Hillary again in 2012. It might be both Clinton and Palin at the top of their tickets which would make a fascinating first in presidential politics.

  • pontificator

    Vote Obama/Biden – keep fundamentalists out of the White House at all costs!

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations to New Boston Yankee. I was wondering who would be a big enough fool to float a lie on a Faith board. NBY is that fool.I watched that rumor float the seediest parts of the internet all yesterday. The left has colossal overwhelming fear of Sarah Palin. Knowing nothing about her- they hated her and wanted to get some real dirt on her life. When someone floated this lie. There was a frenzy of searching for pictures etc. It turns out- the plot of this rumor was stolen from an episode of a recent TV soap opera where a leading character’s daughter gets PG and she wears a fake belly and claims the child is hers to cover up for her daughter. Liberals are so lame- can’t you make up your own lies? Its like the poster who parades herself on this board as a devout Muslim- yet is an avid abortion fan who spends her days rumor mongering on this board. Yesterday she tried to pass that the child the McCain’s adopted is actually McCain’s lovechild. Yes- the McCains have sheltered their adopted child and she is not often seen- but its because of your lies about her and what sleezeballs like you yell at her when she is seen publically.. Obama’s devout believers will need help when he fails to become president just months from now. They are already showing a tenuous hold on reality and a really nasty habit of having public tantrums when things don’t go their way..

  • VICTORIA

    That is DEFINTIELY the first time I have ever heard anoyne from either party suggest that there are populists in the GOP- I think you ae compeltely misinterpreting the demographics of the GOPs and Dems- It didn’t work. Hillary’s contribution and historical importance had to be noted- for her legacy and the legacy og the Dems. You don’t get an in-depth analysis by googling anything- Farnaz- I have no idea where you get your ideas about working class right- but it sounds like you have just entered the arena of punditry. I could go on and on- but it is time to pray and I’m preparing for Ramadan tonight, which starts tomorrow.

  • Terry

    When Victoria implied she had “great respect’ for the Mad Woman BERNADETTE DOHRN- she lost any respect I may have had for her.

  • Farnaz

    “That is DEFINTIELY the first time I have ever heard anoyne from either party suggest that there are populists in the GOP- I think you ae compeltely misinterpreting the demographics of the GOPs and Dems-“The problem of elitism in the Democratic party is one the party is well aware of and has gotten quite a bit of press. Search the times. Sadly, they’ve done little to correct the impression they’ve made among some.Workers in this country have a history of conservatism going back to the fifties, have long been alienated from their own economic interests, opiated by a false sense of patriotism, etc. This is all very, very old.I know you said “perception.” MY point is that although I wouldn’t go so far as to say their is sufficient disunity within the Democratic Party to trigger widespread defection to the GOP, I do think that some in office won’t exert the muscle they might have for Clinton. Again, I also think some Clinton supporters won’t vote. Some have threatened to vote for McCain, but I suspect that those who do are in the minority.Btw., Brambleton is correct all the way down the line.

  • Roy

    Of course evangelical leaders were elated. After all, “She’s a virtual lifetime member of the National Rifle Association¨… — what more could evangelicals ask for?Carry a carbine for Christ.

  • NotSoGreatScot

    Terry: – did I miss something? In which post did Victoria express support for Bernadette Dohrn?

  • Roy

    Of course evangelical leaders were delighted. After all “She’s a virtual lifetime member of the National Rifle Association..-what more could you ask?Carry a carbine for Christ.The truth is old Grampa Simpson is just not intolerant enough for Dobson, Robertson, Craig, Haggard, Swaggert, DeLay, Hannity, O´Reilly, Limberger, Stevens, Vitter et. al. so Palin fits the bill.

  • NotSoGreatScot

    Farnaz: I agree. If the disaffected Clinton dems, just don’t show up on election day, and if Palin inspires enough religious right voters to show up for McCain, then the GOP wins again.

  • Marc Edward

    With all the problems with Palin, it certainly seems counterproductive and stupid to make her kid(s) an issue. Attacking somebody’s child, or spreading rumors about how they got the child is a Republican tactic that normal American find disgusting. As Presiden…I mean Senator Obama would say “We’re better than this!”Interesting that Alaska is pretty much a state that’s on welfare. They get tons of money from the federal government. 80% of their budget comes from oil companies, so being governor there has got to be like playing a game on “super-easy”. Praising Palin for balancing a budget would be silly. Every “Alaskan” gets a (welfare)check from the state government based on how much oil money the state gets, so even the biggest loser in Alaska can depend on that kind of state welfare to keep afloat. I’ll give her credit for being a tough woman who took on the oil companies to ensure the state got a better share of the profits. Democrats who underestimate her brains and toughness will be in for a surprise. Biden no doubt knows this (I hope). The fact is Palin is far out of the mainstream, and if one is going to attack her, there is plenty of ammo. Her naked abuse of power disqualifies her. Her stance on abortion puts her at odds with the vast majority of Americans. Pushing creationism (and Demonology next one supposes) in the public schools is a big black mark.Please folks, leave her kid alone. If you have to pick on her family, pick on her wimpy looking, whipped husband. Clearly she wears the pants in that family. I get the impression that he says “Yes dear” about 1245 times a day.

  • point taken

    People who love the Palins – well, Alaskans in general, and then there’s snow-mobilers, dog-sledders, oil drillers, Big Oil companies, and of course gunlovers galore headed up by the ubiquitous NRA – I almost forgot the creationists and pro-lifers. She’s a right-winger’s w*t dream alright……It would be hard to snow mobile or dog sled in Washington, D.C. They already have cooks in the White House, so what will Master Palin do then?I see lots of Alaska excursions in their future. C’mon folks – she belongs at PTA meetings. Is this really the person our country wants helping to shape America’s foreign and domestic policies? The second in command?? In fact, she’s to the right of McCain with her politics, if that’s possible. Just an absolutely bizarre nomination, all things considered. The lowest common denominator is never quite low enough for McCain and his gang – they’ve outdone themselves this time.Here’s your choice – the Dark Ages with McCain, or the Age of Enlightenment redux with Obama/Biden. It’s just that simple……

  • Anonymous

    Marc Edward:With all the problems with Palin, it certainly seems counterproductive and stupid to make her kid(s) an issue. Attacking somebody’s child, or spreading rumors about how they got the child is a Republican tactic that normal American find disgusting. As Presiden…I mean Senator Obama would say “We’re better than this!”—————–Here a “genius” who concludes Republicans are attacking their own VP candidate, governor Palin. Cult worship can do these things to a man’s logic.

  • Dan McClain

    Whoever ‘Anonymous’ is sure seems to be a pious, holier than thou sort of person. But, one that is also spineless for being ‘Anonymous’. Oh, and FYI,

  • Farnaz

    “NotSoGreatScot: Yes, and more’s the pity since Obama wasn’t responsible for the media’s tabloid rhetoric.

  • Anonymous

    One thing seems to be emerging: no pro-abortion woman, whether a Clinton supporter or Republican, is going to vote for Governor Palin. Pro-abortion women seem to view an anti-abortion woman like the plague. They seem to consider Governor Palin standing against the “rights” they fought for, namely the right to kill their unborn children. They are not going to notice that Governor Palin combined motherhood and career successfully, and without killing any of her unborn children.Sad what has become of the values of women and mothers.

  • Maria McClain

    To anonymous,

  • Anonymous

    Governor Palin needs to compromise her stand:Governor Palin needs to emphasize that she is not against contraception.She needs to emphasize that, despite her own unwillingness, she has compassion for women who choose to end pregnancies as a result of rape/incest or due to developmental defects of the child or terrible illness in the mother that would put the life of the child at risk, both during development and after birth: addictions, mental illness…

  • Anonymous

    On Palin: I’ve always thought simple literacy should be a qualification for the Vice Presidency, but then Cheney reads and writes, so I could have been wrong.

  • Farnaz

    Anon:RE: Palin’s literacyI’m sure she’s literate. She was a good pick for Republican proletarians, since though proletarian in his heart, McCain, in his background and wallet, is not. My guess is she’s very smart.

  • Anonymous

    Governor Palin needs to address the concern of voters about how she is going to take care of her (by January 09 eight month old) son with Down’s Syndrome. She needs to explain how she combined children and career, so that people are not left wondering and doubting at the back of their mind.If she were to face the doubt head on she will have eased some anxiety in some voters who may be considering voting for her.She needs to emphasize over and over again that she is the VP candidate and Senator McCain is not about to drop dead from old age or senility anymore than Senator Biden.

  • Maria

    Reply to Maximina- when I go to church, that is catholic church I rarely see couples with more that 2 or 3 children. Could it be that they are on birth control? or using the rhythm method? My guess is that they are on birth control or the father has had a vasectomy. How hypocritical of them. If you are going to be a pro-lifer start at home! And start pushing out those babies by the dozens!

  • Anonymous

    Governor Palin needs to highlight the fact that she is a member of Feminists for Life, that there is such a thing as anti-abortion feminism and the founders of feminism were anti-abortionists.

  • BGone

    This is an abortion nation. ABORTaNATION is clearly the GOP plan. Everything was going swimmingly with high hopes for a lot of free publicity on McCain’s choice for VP.But then came Gustav and the abortion voters are heading for high ground. To make matters worse Gustav has a companion blow-hard so help me Hanna. November 30 looks like a good day, first one not wrecked by global warming for the GOP to open their convention. Them hurricanes canes are definitely “an inconvenient truth.”What a pal Palin is to a wretched abortion nation. If banning abortion doesn’t bring the price of gas down and stimulate the housing market then the big oil companies will be required to take the money. Glad to see all the panelist here agree.

  • Anonymous

    Governor Palin needs to emphasize that the President and VP of the Republican party also have access to advisers, just like the Democrats Obama/Biden team. Yes, advisers and speech writers, just like the Obama/Biden team. That is simply how politics work for both parties, for Presidents and VPs from either party.

  • Farnaz

    BGONE:Do you mean to say that hurricaine havoc, gas prices, international food shortages, etc., are more important than the abortion debate?Could that be your point? Is’t possible?

  • Anonymous

    BGONE, 1.4 MILLION Americans are going missing every year, nearly 95% of them are perfectly healthy. Thanks to abortion.

  • Anonymous

    No, no, no! Killing nearly 95% of 1.4 million healthy babies every year, doesn’t deserve a mention at all. It is hard won “right” of mothers to kill their unborn children. Let’s discuss in abstract terms our moral outrage about genocide in Africa. Don’t let anyone dare us to look into our own backyard version of genocide.

  • jill

    Marie said-“when she gets pregnant in office, how will she handle it?”You are Catholic and believe “a woman’s place is in the home”- but the vast majority of women I know are able to advance their careers while raising healthy happy kids. Don’t get me wrong- any woman (like yourself) who feels most comfortable staying home with her children should not be denigrated for her choice.But-Sarah Palin is an excellent example of what most sucessful women of her generation can and have achieved and a model for the generations of women to come.

  • Marc Edward

    Anonymous: “With all the problems with Palin, it certainly seems counterproductive and stupid to make her kid(s) an issue. Attacking somebody’s child, or spreading rumors about how they got the child is a Republican tactic that normal American find disgusting. As Presiden…I mean Senator Obama would say “We’re better than this!”—————–Here a “genius” who concludes Republicans are attacking their own VP candidate,”Wrong – I was condemning any Democrats here who are attacking Palin’s kid. For a person who posts a LOT you have rather poor reading comprehension.I say it’s a Republican tactic because, well, it is. It’s how Bushies attacked McCain in 2000. It’s one of the ways Republicans attacked Clinton in the 1990s. FFS, I have no use for attacking kids on either side, and I certainly don’t people on my side attacking Palin for having a child.Hope that clears it up for you “genius”

  • Anonymous

    On the abortion issue as Christians, Senator Obama and Governor Palin couldn’t be further apart: one staunchly pro-abortion as the right of women, voting against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act three times as Senator of Illinois, with the reputation of having humiliated a nurse prolife activist on the Senate floor, and a woman who remained a career woman with four children and recently carried to term a fifth child, she could have aborted because of Down’s Syndrome, yet accepted and loves unconditionally. That is a powerfully moving story of a mega woman and mega love.

  • Anonymous

    For some people, especially those who are horrified by the abortion for convenience mentality of the vast majority of modern women, it is edifying to know that unconditionally loving mothers still exist, women who are strong enough to love ALL their children and still pursue a career.

  • Anonymous

    The political campaign, in order to be assessed fairly, must be viewed thus:Experience and achievements of Senator ObamaExperience and achievements of Senator BidenMerits of policies proposed by the Obama-Biden teamExperience and achievements of Senator McCainExperience and achievements of Governor PalinMerits of policies proposed by the McCain-Palin team.Since Senator Obama and Governor Palin are both young, compare the skills needed to be a Congressman vs skills needed to be Governor.

  • Pam

    For Tim, Jerry, and others who have opined that Barack Obama has never accomplished anything, here is an excerpt from his biography on Biography.com (I encourage you to visit the site and read the whole thing). I think you will find plenty of accomplishments in it:Obama entered Harvard Law School in 1988. In February 1990, he was elected the first African–American editor of the Harvard Law Review. Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991.After law school, Obama returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer, joining the firm of Miner, Barnhill & Galland. He also taught at the University of Chicago Law School. And he helped organize voter registration drives during Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign.Obama published an autobiography in 1995 Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. And he won a Grammy for the audio version of the book.Obama’s advocacy work led him to run for the Illinois State Senate as a Democrat. He was elected in 1996 from the south side neighborhood of Hyde Park.During these years, Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans in drafting legislation on ethics, expanded health care services and early childhood education programs for the poor. He also created a state earned-income tax credit for the working poor. And after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.In 2000, Obama made an unsuccessful Democratic primary run for the U. S. House of Representatives seat held by four-term incumbent candidate Bobby Rush.Following the 9/11 attacks, Obama was an early opponent of President George W. Bush’s push to war with Iraq. Obama was still a state senator when he spoke against a resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq during a rally at Chicago’s Federal Plaza in October 2002.”I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars,” he said. “What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.””He’s a bad guy,” Obama said, referring to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. “The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.””I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U. S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences,” Obama continued. “I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.”The war with Iraq began in 2003 and Obama decided to run for the U.S. Senate open seat vacated by Republican Peter Fitzgerald. In the 2004 Democratic primary, he won 52 percent of the vote, defeating multimillionaire businessman Blair Hull and Illinois Comptroller Daniel Hynes.That summer, he was invited to deliver the keynote speech in support of John Kerry at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston. Obama emphasized the importance of unity, and made veiled jabs at the Bush administration and the diversionary use of wedge issues.”We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don’t like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states,” he said. “We coach Little League in the blue states, and yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the red states. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the Stars and Stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.”After the convention, Obama returned to his U.S. Senate bid in Illinois. His opponent in the general election was supposed to be Republican primary winner Jack Ryan, a wealthy former investment banker. However, Ryan withdrew from the race in June 2004, following public disclosure of unsubstantiated sexual allegations by Ryan’s ex wife, actress Jeri Ryan.In August 2004, diplomat and former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who was also an African American, accepted the Republican nomination to replace Ryan. In three televised debates, Obama and Keyes expressed opposing views on stem cell research, abortion, gun control, school vouchers and tax cuts.In the November 2004 general election, Obama received 70% of the vote to Keyes’s 27%, the largest electoral victory in Illinois history. Obama became only the third African American elected to the U.S. Senate since Reconstruction.Sworn into office January 4, 2005, Obama partnered with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana on a bill that expanded efforts to destroy weapons of mass destruction in Eastern Europe and Russia. Then with Republican Sen. Tom Corburn of Oklahoma, he created a website that tracks all federal spending.Obama was also the first to raise the threat of avian flu on the Senate floor, spoke out for victims of Hurricane Katrina, pushed for alternative energy development and championed improved veterans´ benefits. He also worked with Democrat Russ Feingold of Wisconsin to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress.

  • Maria

    reply to Jill,

  • Brambleton

    Point Taken,Maybe you could enlighten me as to how the Obama/Biden ticket will be any better than McCain/Palin. What exactly do you think Obama is going to do in office that would bring about the “Age of Enlightenment II” that you speak of?And please don’t give me that he is a good guy, a handsome man, a great speaker, or that he’s willing to work with both parties.I want specific examples of how Mr. Obama plans to “change” this country for the better. And the examples have to be something completely opposite of what McCain is planning.Thank you in advance.

  • VICTORIA

    Thamks Pam- that really was an enlightening insider perspective. ANON- “Since Senator Obama and Governor Palin are both young, compare the skills needed to be a Congressman vs skills needed to be Governor.” I’m assuming you think that Obama is a congressman. He is a Senator. There are 435 congressmen and women divided by the various state districts. Each state has 1 governor. This is your PSA, so, the more you know…

  • Paganplace

    It’s clear that McCain chose Palin to *be* a justification for a radical right-wing anti-reproductive freedom agenda, in order to get out the blind Religious Right voters who want guns, unwanted babies, oil profits, and no social supports… and little else. She’s the least qualified VP canidate in *history,* to the point she actually recently said she doesn’t even know what the job *entails.*And, I’m sorry, but raising a special needs child is a full-time job, and the office of Vice President of the United States is *much more than full time job, too.* Being unrealistic about that is neither a sign of good governmental potential, nor in fact, good motherhood. Even the Alaska papers say she’s scandalously-unqualified even to be governor, never mind lead the country in these times, when odds are, any VP of McCain’s *would have to.*What’s she gonna do, tell the world powers ‘Like me, I’m ‘pro life’ and a radical Christian?’ Given McCain’s own general attacks on others’ governmental experience… and his own high likelihood of not serving out a full term, this shows both hypocrisy and the very irresponsibility with our nation’s future he was trying to accuse other, better qualified Democratic candidates of entertaining.

  • Farnaz

    Humphrey was a liberal through and through. His concern for the poor, the disenfranchised was evident throughout his career. He had always been a very strong civil rights advocate, a staunch defender of the working and middle classes. His career in the Senate was extraordinary. Yet the workers voted for Nixon and later for Reagan and later, many of them voted for Bush. Twice.

  • Anonymous

    Better a Marxist than a republican.

  • VICTORIA

    Farnaz- I have no idea what outdated history book you are reading from- There is a wide difference between living through, and being aware of politics as they are happening- and keeping track of those things- than reading what someone else wrote- O, I agree- with whatever writer you got that from- Nixon really was a great deal more liberal than history remembers him. It was the hostage crisis in Iran- (you know that one, right?) that was the real undoing of Jimmy Carter. This is 2008, not 1968. And as interesting as those times were politically- I just watched Sarah Palin speaking on C-Span- poor McCain looked almost peripheral to the speech- But for most of us- we are more interested in the experiences of the past brought to bear on a leaders capacity- and how they will apply their ideas and stances to the future. I can see why you want to avoid any discussion of Palin- or anything current- Good luck with Fox news tomorrow when they give you your talking points.

  • Meret

    I would like to ask Ms. Palin where in the Bible it says we should carry guns to use against his creation? Thour shalt not kill.And where in the evangelical family values manual of James Dobson does it say we should preach family values and then leave our four month old challenged infant to others while we chase personal power across the nation? And also, pray tell, where does it say in Dobson’s manual that we must be so oblivious to what is going on in our own home that our daughter who should be practicing their stressed abstinence is now pregnant at 17?When she runs her own home better, she can run my country.

  • Meret

    And as for this odd Marxist strain, I have not heard anyone argue using that term for decades. The real Marxists are in Russia oppressing Chechnyans and Georgians. Sarah Palin needs to focus on those Marxists and not the phantom Marxist you are trying to create in Obama.

  • Meret

    And no, I am not a Marxist Liberal. I am an Evangelical Christian Seminarian.And hateful exchange and name calling does no one proud.

  • Farnaz

    No offense, but there is no point in continuing this discussion. Nothing I’ve said is a matter of opinion. What I’ve written is fact. I know many who were very much here during the 1968 election and saw up close and personal what they expected to see. As for Carter, from a nonfascist Iranian perspective, a worse bungler would be hard to imagine. So, my native-born friends tell me was the case from other perspectives, as well. Still, workers voting for Ronald Reagan?!! Strictly speaking, there is no proletarian class in the US, and one can argue that we haven’t had one since the fifties, not in the sense that the Europeans have. So let us call them workers. Workers voted in NIxon. Many voted for Reagan (that would be Reagan of the union-busting Reagans), and many voted for Bush. Twice.Sorry, Virginia, there are now and always have been working class Republicans. There is nothing surprising about this. It does not mark the first time in history that people have been alienated from their own economic interets. There are many contemporary analyses of this phenomenon. The classic, of course is Marx’s “The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte” which you can find on the net. Oh, and all you Paranoids out There: Literate conservatives as well as moderates and liberals have read and do read this.

  • Anonymous

    There is no doubt that Obama/Biden team will win the election in November.Governor Palin has just about two months to make herself known nationwide and speak a little about her anti-abortion stand in that time.The abortion issue will only be one among many issues to be sure, but it is an issue that needs to be raised because it is of concern to many. It is the best chance to do a nationwide prolife education sure to benefit young women who do not yet have hardened conscience regarding the issue.Pro-abortionists like many on this forum are beyond reach anyway.

  • Farnaz

    “contemporaneous.”Wrong word in this context. Perhaps you meant contemporary. The point, though, is that the contemporary does not simply erupt out of nowhere. When one thinks that way, one paves the way for disaster. The (extremely) simple point, again, is that McCain’s choice, IMO, is intended, in part, to attract some down home folks who might still be waivering. Palin with the troops is good stuff.Scroll down.

  • kim

    Farnaz- Your posts are arrogant, incredibly naive and illinformed. Americans are fiercely independent because our ancestors risked everything to come to America and taste freedom. Apparently your ancestors preferred to stay put even though there was a boot on their necks. Either learn American politics, quit pontificating, or go back to wherever you came from. There is still time though.. if you realise how out of touch you are with American values maybe you will catch on by October:Please read to catch up on where we are”Which brings us to Barack Obama. He has three major vulnerabilities here as I see it. One is his 20-year relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Polls suggest he has sustained some damage on this and it’s not clear whether video clips of Wright saying “God damn America” will inflict more in the fall despite the candidate’s repudiation of those comments.Another problem is Obama’s relationship with the unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist bomber William Ayers. In an April debate, Obama portrayed Ayers as a casual acquaintance. But Ayers was co-founder of the $49 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge education program and Obama its chairman of the board. The Obama campaign has sued to take off the air ads highlighting the Ayers relationship and tried to intimidate a radio station for hosting a conservative who is examining the Annenberg documents in the Richard J. Daley Library.Finally, there is Obama’s 2003 vote against a bill, “virtually identical” as the Obama campaign admits, to one that passed the U.S. Senate 98-0, banning the killing of fetuses who have survived abortions.Liberals like Obama tend to go over the line between positions and associations that most voters find reasonable (though they may not agree) and those they find outrageous. They assume, usually correctly, that mainstream media will be reluctant to report on the latter, as has been the case in all those mentioned above. Conservatives take more care to separate themselves from the outrageous because they know mainstream media will pounce on them if they don’t.On Ayers, the Obama campaign has tried to suppress discussion. But it will likely fail. The emergence of new media and the First Amendment mean that is like stopping the Mississippi River from flowing to the sea. If I were advising Obama, I would tell him to confess error, as he arguably has on Wright, on both Ayers and the Born Alive Protection Act, lest they cause his campaign as much damage as the furlough ads caused Michael Dukakis and the Swift Boat ads caused John Kerry.”Good luck.

  • Anonymous

    It is true Senator Obama did not visit American troops in Germany on his recent overseas trip, after the US State Department informed him that he would have to go as a private person, without partisan political advisers and campaign camera crew.Senator Obama is extremely careful about not making the slightest wrong move that could stand in the way of his political success.It is both a good and bad thing. Good because he always tries to please as many people as he can, never risk doing anything wrong. Bad because it appears as if the whole thing is only about being politically correct and winning as many votes as possible.

  • carolyn

    There’s scant difference in the Taliban and Sarah Palin’s religious radical (maverick?) views on life and creation and faith. This woman who believes in LAW and not LOVE hasn’t read the whole Book. The teachings of JC are the ones we are to follow, not historic books of Mosaic law that also include the pronouncement of God to kill all women, babies and livestock in non-God-centered cultures.Sarah Palin has said she’d force her daughter impregnated by rape to have the baby. “It’s a life.” Forget that the daughter would forever face a child born out of savage violence. But after life is born, then we leave that baby to run for office, use a Down’s baby as a political prop for pro-lifer agenda, and prove we don’t have the whole thing very well put together at home after all.The Taliban forces their extreme right-wing views of scripture on society. So would Sarah Palin. And she’d be casting the tie-breaker vote in the Senate and advising the president. When would the stadium-filled stonings begin?No thanks. Faith has to include love, grace, mercy, forgiveness to get my support. It has to prove it is also a good steward of creation. As a Baptist pastor, I have another choice. Thankfully.

  • Farnaz

    This is 2008, not 1968. And as interesting as those times were politically- “Contemporaneous” isn’t synonymous with contemporary. It is used to refer to two or more occurences happening at the same time. Your post suggests that you meant “contemporary,” i.e., the present.I don’t watch Fox News, but you have said that you do, and I literally haven’t a clue as to what you’re talking about. I don’t know whose posts you’ve been reading, but certainly not mine. I am not a Republican nor have I ever been. I am a left-wing Democrat. Please, if you’re going to rant at me, do so in a way that has something to do with what I post. Why you argued with me that there are no Republicans among the working class and now assert there are is beyond me, but, then, I’m neither a nativitst nor an uncritical binary thinker.I am very much aware of who’s on the Supreme Court. I am pro-choice, although I’m no fan of abortion, but the problems of having more conservative justices go far beyond Roe v. Wade.Goodnight.

  • Farnaz

    Kim:You are living proof of how a little knowledge, or better put, a great deal of ignorance is a very dangerous thing.In the main, it’s a good idea to cite whom you quote, but I’ll take up the issues, briefly, one by one. Obama is a neoliberal as I stated. This would be the Obama who stated that mandating healthcare would be the equivalent of requiring that the homeless dwell in houses.In no sense can Pastor Wright give evidence of a Marxist interpretation of history or economics, which is what I was referring to. His multi-million dollar home, lavish vacations, dream pensions would suggest a less than “socialist” agenda, or to put it in nonpolitical terms, a politics showing as much concern for the poor as his good that of his good buddy, Farrakhan.Obama, who was not my first choice, but whom I now support since I can’t support McCain-Palin, has done work with the poor, unusual for someone with his creds. As for Ayers, he is also a professor at the University of Illinois, a point you neglected to mention, but we shall see what we shall see about AyersAs for US Senate 98-0, it was REDUNDANT, as has been pointed out again and again and again.I have my own issues with Barack and Michelle Obama, concerning their connections with the Chicago Democratic Machine, among other things, including the Wright association.To wit:”Farnaz- Your posts are arrogant, incredibly naive and illinformed. Americans are fiercely independent because our ancestors risked everything to come to America and taste freedom. Apparently your ancestors preferred to stay put even though there was a boot on their necks. Either learn American politics, quit pontificating, or go back to wherever you came from.”You know nothing about me or my ancestors, or where they came from. As you have made abundantly clear in your post, I know far more about American politics, economics, political and economic theory than you do, or ever will, if you continue to rage against rather than learn about that which you don’t understand.”Americans are fiercely independent,” which suggests to me that you are not American. You depend on ignorance, nativism, and racism. I would suggest you go back to where you came from, but I doubt they’d take you, and we Americans have a generous spirit, so stay, but please don’t feel obliged to post on Quinn’s blog.Good luck.

  • Farnaz

    Carolyn,Well said, IMO. The irony of all this political religionism is that we have seen the consequences of theocracy up close and personal. As well, this mixing of politics and religion makes a mockery out of the latter.

  • Anonymous

    Victoria: “I am , personally, and for my own self- vehemently anti-abortion-I don’t even want to give it cute names- it is pro or anti-But I will fight just as vehement;y to protect the personal autonomy of any other woman out there to decide for herself, and not be a criminal for her own choice and decision regarding her own body and life.”———————–If the life of an innocent, voiceless, defenseless third party was not involved, abortion would remain the private business of the woman. However science does not agree with the pro-abortionist view that the growing child is a part of the mother. It is a separate human being which happens to need her for its oxygen and nutrients for the first nine months of its life. The same needs continue after it is born, with a few more added.But pro-abortionists already know that…

  • VICTORIA

    No Farnaz- I only laughed alot when you insisted that there is such a thing a ‘proletariat republicans’. Not once, but twice. Now you’ve revised it to working class-

  • KIM

    “I would suggest you go back to where you came from, but I doubt they’d take you, and we Americans have a generous spirit, so stay, but please don’t feel obliged to post on Quinn’s blog.”Ha Ha Farnaz- I must have hit very close to home to have you afraid of my posts. My mother’s grandparents were Jewish and escaped the holocaust. On my father’s side- I am a member of the DAR. Our motto is God, Home, and Country. I bet you didn’t know that. You don’t know the people you are living among. You are flatout wrong in your understanding of our politics. Maybe you see us through the influence of your homeland’s politics. I will guess you are not even one generation in America. Although you may never tell.You know Farnaz, I’m free to call you out on your false views and you’re free to declare yourself a superior american who is uber-smart while I am sadly ignorant. But a few months time and US politics will play out and be the judge between us- n’est–ce pas?Good luck assimilating.

  • Paganplace

    “Ha Ha Farnaz- I must have hit very close to home to have you afraid of my posts.”Consider reactions to you trying to hurt people where they live a ‘fearful acknowledgement of my righteousness….At your own risk.If that’s really what you consider a right direction to take America.

  • VICTORIA

    Sarah Palin chose to be a conservative christian. If her own persona was not based on her conserviative family values- it would be less hypocritical of the GOP to struggle to align such a clearly out of the mainstream action retroactively with their party line. From an overview though- maybe it will help he GOP (at least publicly) have a gentler more forgiving attitude. I was about that young girl’s age when I was raped, and made the decision to not abort. Women and girls are not going to stop getting pregnant. We have 23 million people in our prisons- the most incarcerated nation on the planet.

  • Farnaz

    Kim,Congratulations on your DAR status. Do you mean to tell me that if you look back far enough you’ll find Native American blood on your hands? I would never want people to think of you as an American. God knows I don’t.I don’t feel superior to you Kim, no matter what you may think. I feel sorry for whatever it is that has so hardened your heart and filled it with hate.

  • Farnaz

    Kim,Btw., who do you think I am? From where do you think I come? What is my ethnicity? Religious background?And, finally, precisely what does all this have to do with Marxism, facts, politics, etc?Why is it so threatening for you to focus on the issues? Neither of the two candidates is ideal, far from it. But, please tell me who you think I am. What if I called my self Mary Ann or Gene? Think about it.

  • VICTORIA

    We know who you are Faraz- you are an Atheist Jewish woman from Iran who lives in Long Island suburbia. The fun part about political discussions is looking forward- Actually, I am usre it was foreseen and there is a carefully scripted reaction. By the way- massive kudos to Obama for his statement that children and family are off limits. First, Palin is going to get a pass- who didn’t know that. One point she makes but doesnt tell the whole truth about is that bridge to nowhere- she never mentions that she TOOK THAT 400 million dollars- she just didn’t build that bridge with it- Ethics and honor and honesty and accountability. She will, plucky little thing that she is- face this issue full force- To address an issue one couldn’t possibly avoid. It will be carefully used to make her more accessible- a real kind of gal- with family probems just like you and me. It will be used to push pro-life- but with great almost indiscernible subtlety. Now that the coffee klatch talk is over- y’all can watch the RNC and FINALLY get those talking points that, clearly no one has yet, and is waiting to hear so they know how to respond.

  • VICTORIA

    And Farnaz- while Iran certainly had it’s great focus on communism- this is American politics we’re discussing.

  • Farnaz

    “We know who you are Faraz- you are an Atheist Jewish woman from Iran who lives in Long Island suburbia.Who is WE? Are you Kim? If not, why are you jumping into a discussion that has nothing to do with you? My name is not “Faraz” and I don’t live in “Long Island suburbia.” I never said America wasn’t my first choice, nor that I’m not happy living here.Convincing you of my politics has never been a goal of mine. Do you mind butting out of chats that don’t concern you?

  • KIM

    Farnaz now says:”I don’t feel superior to you Kim, no matter what you may think.”But you first told me:”I know far more about American politics, economics, political and economic theory than you do, or ever will”I have every reason to believe you feel superior to me. Don’t lose your nerve and contradict yourself in a few posts. You look weak.”Do you mean to tell me that if you look back far enough you’ll find Native American blood on your hands?”No. I mean to tell you my ancestors shed blood to form this nation. Maybe your homeland isn’t a hellhole. Maybe it is a paradise you left for economic gain- but the people I have helped leave Columbia and the Sudan are passionate in their love of America and thankful to my ancestors. They spend all their free time watching TV hoping to absorb the language and culture of Americans because they want to belong. A longing you apparently don’t share with them. Perhaps you think they are ignorant like me?In parting I’ll ask you to consider the posts to this forum. See any posts declaring the addition of Sarah Palin to the GOP ticket is a clear win for Obama? Anyone celebrating? See any desperate floating of possible arguments against Sarah Palin that might sell to the Heartland? Comprenez vous?

  • Anonymous

    Victoria, surely there’s something else you could be doing now.

  • Anonymous

    “Comprenez vous?”Not at all, and I doubt you comprehend yourself. I’m not interested in appearing weak or strong, Kim. What interests me is a grounded discussion of the candidates and the issues. Frankly, I can hold my own with far better than you.

  • Farnaz

    Kim,Last thought: What is it that you find so threatening?

  • VICTORIA

    Farnaz- it’s an open forum-

  • Anonymous

    I am so sick of the BS written on these blogs. Go for it and keep it. You talk about truth, faith, and trust of which you know nothing about.And for the record everytime you throw one of them in my face……..I hate you all the more!

  • KIM

    Farnaz asks”who do you think I am? From where do you think I come? What is my ethnicity? Religious background?”Victoria says”you are an Atheist Jewish woman from Iran who lives in Long Island suburbia. America wasn’t your first choice and you’re not happy being here. You are an unconvincing democrat”Well Well Farnaz- is this true? If so- I had you nailed as a nonamerican with less than one generation here. No points please. That was easy. And if you have lived as a Jew in Iran- your ancestors did have a boot on their necks and maybe you did too. I’m sorry if it is true- but it is a basic difference between us. My ancestors left oppression to live free. And (if true)I was wrong about your homeland being a paradise. How can you consider America a hellhole? You know caged animals in time find comfort in their cages and do not acept freedom when offered. It takes a passion and longing for independence to live in a free nation. And Farnaz- quit trying to bully posters off this forum. Almost every one in America agrees on a few things and disagrees passionately on others. But every true American will defend your right to have your say.Au revoir.

  • Farnaz

    Victoria,Don’t flatter yourself. I wasn’t trying to kick you off the forum! You intruded in a chat between Kim and me, asking that WE (?) return to the issues. Who’s stopping you? Blog on….

  • Farnaz

    And (if true)I was wrong about your homeland being a paradise. How can you consider America a hellhole? You know caged animals in time find comfort in their cages and do not acept freedom when offered. It takes a passion and longing for independence to live in a free nation.And Farnaz- quit trying to bully posters off this forum. Almost every one in America agrees on a few things and disagrees passionately on others. But every true American will defend your right to have your say.Au revoir. Kim,I don’t consider America a hell hole. And, again, you know nothing about me, where I come from, etc.You’re like the bully in the schoolyard, et moi, je ne suis pas impressed. Anyone who tries to tell someone else they’re not American enough by speaking of their ancestors and their DAR ancestors is a turnoff for me. So, tell us, Kim, how does it feel to be a descendant of people who gave native Americans blankets infested with small pox? Who rounded them up and set fire to them, referencing the Bible in the process (Bradford, “Plymouth Plantation”).If there’s anyone we don’t need here it’s you. Americans are not you, Kim. THANK GOD. Look around. There are fine people around you. Take time off from TV, and ask someone with a functioning IQ to recommend a book.

  • VICTORIA

    Ramadan starts in …5…4…3…2…1..NOW!

  • Anonymous

    Farnaz-I think Kim is Victoria.

  • eye to history

    The DAR – a crypto-republican organization if ever there was one. I wouldn’t expect any Obama support from that outfit. White anglo-saxon Protestant Americans only need apply – thank you very much. And an original copy of the Mayflower passenger manifest would be a plus. Who needs these self-important yokels?

  • KIM

    I do feel sorry for you Farnaz. I’m sorry you don’t love America and Americans. I do. Don’t get too wrapped up in American politics. It may not play out the way you predict. Why put yourself through more disappointment? Best wishes for a better future.Bon voyage.

  • Farnaz

    EVE TO HISTORY:Right you are, but not so crypto. DAR equals Daughters of the American Revolution. Bradford was on the Mayflower as you probably know and was governor of Plymouth for thirty years. Saw the rounding up and burning of Indians by Puritans as providential. And Puritans did like to spread small pox to the natives. (There is a word for what they and their fellow settlers did: genocide.)Nice. A lot of people who have the “pedigree” to join the DAR wouldn’t do it if their lives depended on it. To assert that you are more American than someone else because of your ancestry isn’t very American or Christian (see Paul) or anything else that could be considered a yardstick by which to measure the ethics of claims.

  • Farnaz

    Eye to History:Whoops! Mean to write EYE to History. Sorry!_______________________________________________Kim:You’re getting tiresome. Check with Mom, find out how much blood is on your nonAsian hands, and get back to us.Ta!

  • KIM

    Thank you FarnazYour posts prove you are everything I guessed you to be and so much more.

  • weforget

    It is so easy to blame bush……however osama and hussein started all this in 2001, sure hussein didn’t bring down the towers which had been osama’s dream, but he sure did celebrate, he didn’t abide by the UN demands, he paid to have people killed……and he was an avowed enemy of the US……not anymore……the question is why have there not been any attacks on the US since 2001? Especially when the radical islamists hate bush so! The terrorism has replaced communism, will obamalinbiden defeat terrorism like reagan brought down communism? Want socialism vot obama!

  • catfight

    All you leftwingers out there, do you consider yourself marxists……..there are many reasons to believe obama shares many beliefs of Marx…..most liberal dem in senate, his education, his work experience, his church affiliation, the upbringing by his mother, an admitted atheista and marxist, his grandparents who moved to washington so stanley (obama’s momma) could attend a communist high school…..remember the marxists see the working class only as a tool to get what they want……marxists have no regard for the working class…….maybe that’s a reason why Karl Marx didn’t work to support his family……maybe if he had spent more time making capital rather than writing about it his family would not have lived in poverty…..

  • common sense

    Just a tiny point for the Clintonistas that may be present – if the pro-Hillary crowd somehow manages to contribute to an Obama defeat in hopes of her running in 2012 – you can forget it. If such a thing should happen, you can bet your bippee that Clinton won’t stand a chance in hell of getting elected in 2012 – this is one democrat that would have voted for her this time had she been nominated – but would not vote for her in 2012 just on general principle, should Obama be defeated by the Hillary cynics in his own party.You don’t get to have it both ways – lose now to win later. Ain’t gonna happen – if you’re a democrat, then vote accordingly for the candidate that you have. I will not be alone in this position. And for all of you rightwingers, true liberalism is a grand philosophy – compassionate, generous to those in need, patriotic in defense of the nation when the need arises, progressive in all ways that promote the general wellbeing of the the country at large, tolerant of varietous beliefs and fully supportive of human diversity in it’s many forms. This philosophy is reflected in Obama/Biden to a high degree……and is exactly why democrats of every description should get out the vote. Hillary will make an excellent Secretary of State – and have no doubt, she will take the job if offered.

  • Anonymous

    catfight writes ” All you leftwingers out there”First flaw in your thinking is that people who support Obama are “left wingers”. Obama’s support draws from the left to the Center.”do you consider yourself marxists”Pretty doubtful even 1/1o of 1% think of themselves as Marxists”……..there are many reasons to believe obama shares many beliefs of Marx…..most liberal dem in senate”Actaully there is no reason to think Obama is a “marxist”, and Obama isn’t “the most liberal dem in the senate”. weforget writes Well he is the one who ignored the threat of terrorism till the morning of 9/11. It was Bush who froze in panic when he heard “The United States is Under ATTACK!!!” It was Bush that has failed to catch Bin Laden. It was Bush who decided to take the USA into a war we didn’t need, and lied in the process. It was Bush who totally bungled the occupation. Yep, it’s easy to blame Bush when Bush was responsible!!!”however osama and hussein started all this in 2001″However Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. “the question is why have there not been any attacks on the US since 2001?”We had the anthrax attacks, and of course there have been countless attacks inside Iraq where the US is responsible for the safety of the population. You seem to think that the first terrorist attacks is a “freebie” – that every President is allowed one free security failure that costs 3K American lives on his watch. I disagree.Of course to list all of Bush’s failures would take all day and too much space. That Bush was elected in 2004 has made me ashamed of the USA countless times. Anyone who supports President Bush is unAmerican and against everything good this coutnry stands for

  • MoisesFg

    Anonymous,The only one hiding his name is you, that is what separatists and Marxist use to do.I support Obama / Biden and i consider myself a proud American citizen. You are totally confuse and may be you are talking about your own fears. In America both parties are made of very patriotic people and also we do not consider right wing republican as fascist just because they support the extreme right on their party.Again, if you do not understand this election is about our country and people from both parties, Democrats and Republicans are trying to do their best according to their point of views. It have nothing to do with right or left point of views. You better go back to school and check what democracy means and how our political system is form.MoisesFG

  • MoisesFG

    Anonymous,May be you have no faith or does not trust anyone. I guess you are not American because American from any stand point (Republicans, Democrats, Independent) they have faith in God and faith in the capabilities of our nation to come back as happens during the Great Depression last century and in other occasions in our history like the 911 events. That’s why we do vote because our system allow us to do it and when we do it we believe in the institutions of The United States of America even our candidate does not win and then we unite with the elections winner to work for our country.Hate is what make people do bad things sometimes, do not be that dump please.MoisesFG

  • farhad

    If McCain-Palin are elected we will have, just a heartbeat away, a president who believes that a woman who is raped and impregnated by her father or uncle or any stranger for that matter should be forced to have the child. Makes sense, after all…it’s God’s will and who are we to question God’s will? I only wish fallible human beings were not the only ones to take this position – but they are the only beings who do so and they really are fallible.

  • VICTORIA

    Who is Bernadette Borhn? I saw ONE so called PUMA- that CChris Matthews wiped up the floor with- other than that- alot of interesting conjecture by different women- Moises- I don’t actually what point you don’t agree with. Did you think I implied that Obama disrespected women somehow? I’ve just thought of something- the southern baptist org headed by Richard Land (I can’t remember the name) a very recent few years aog declared that women cannot lead men- from one of Paul’s books- where it states that a owman can not teach nor have any authority over a man. I watched the entire DNC with great excitemet- it really did inspire me- and the excitement was palpabe- My habit is to watch the speeches- then I switch over to Fix to get their reaction- If you want to believe every word from Fox- it’s no skin off my nose. She’ll get briefed and when she finds out her position on issues- you’ll all come out with RNC talking points of the day. Watch how busy and predictable these boards will get tomorrow. Believe me, there are speechwriters aplenty trying to walk that fine line between distancing themselves from Bush’s failed policies- but not enough to alienate the right. The bottom line is getting those 3 seats on the Supreme Court. Obama was right about Afghanistan. Obama was right about the timeline in Iraq. McCain wants to bomb Iran as soon as he can- McCain stated he agrees with reinstituting the draft! But Biden is younger than McCain, but has been a Senator longer- and has a loooong and loyal and tried and true proven friendship to the state of Israel. Is it good for Israel? So-might there be a crossover from the conservative Jewish voters? Conservative- not the liberal already in agreement. Geroge the papa left us 4 TRILLION dollars in debt- Bill Clinton wowed them with that simple statement (in a debate against papa bush) so that it is now a part of the american lexicon- McCain, self-admittedly knows nothing about the economy- Palin is no player in that field- I paid less than $2 for mushrooms just last week- It’s a bread and butter forum this time folks and that is where the Dems shine. Good luck trying to distract us all with pro vs. anti abortion talking points.

  • Anonymous

    “Who is Bernadette Borhn?”Do you mean to imply you do not know who BERNADETTE DOHRN is by misspelling her name?If you are lying may Allah strike you dead??

  • VICTORIA

    No anonymous- Thanks for recognizing that keeping the conversation on topic and your compliment too. Terry- I don’t knwo who you are- but those weasel tactics won’t work here- Farnaz- now you are telling us there is such a thing as a republican proletariat? Just for giggles- I did a google- How very very very vague all of your knowledge is- Republican proletariat- that is a classic.

  • VICTORIA

    May ALLAH strike me dead if I ever heard that name before. But you are welcome to paste it if you saw me mention such a thing- you spineless little cowardly weasel.

  • VICTORIA

    Sorry Farnaz- that was a collective you,(at the end) not directed to you personally.

  • Farnaz

    President Richard M. Nixon was voted into office by the not-so “silent majority,” the majority of whom were “proletarians.” After the murder of RFK, Humphrey, of course, won the Democratic nomination, and like Bobby, he was an excellent candidate, whose record on civil rights, working and middle-class initiatives was sterling. He may have been tainted by his support of the Vietnam War as Johnson VP, but RMN made no bones about his hawkish stance. The working class chose Nixon. To them, he was a patriot.Now, Nixon was a complicated conservative, in some ways a “strict constructionist,” as he averred; however, he wanted to federalize welfare and he supported Job Core. The conservative Nixon of 1968 was, in some ways, more liberal than the neoliberal of the present, but, emphatically, not of 1968. But none of this was of interest to workers. The majority who voted in RONALD REGAN were also workers, suffering from Carter fatigue, as were many Americans, from what I understand. This doesn’t mean that Reagan didn’t have overwhelming support from billionaires, the oil cartel, etc., far more so, in fact, than Nixon. But Democratic neoliberals and liberals (of whom there are now very few) continue to appear as weak, contemptuous, etc, to many So workers vote for good old boys like George Bush. Really, this isn’t difficult to grasp. And,since you say in an earlier post that you don’t respect google, perhaps you might do more sophisticated research. (Searching the Times archives isn’t that difficult–or sophisticated, btw.)

  • Farnaz

    Thomas:RE: The pictures of Gov. Palin w/troopsGotta say this is very interesting. As I said earlier, you don’t get to be elected governor by being an idiot. Thanks for the link.Farnaz

  • Farnaz

    Farhad,You have an impressive moniker however one looks at it. Are you thinking of Farhad Darya? Farhad Mehrad?

  • VICTORIA

    Hey, look at that! My predictions were all right on. Armchair punditry is fun.

  • Anonymous

    Senator Obama made it a point to remind everyone that he was conceived by his eighteen year old mother forty eight years ago out of wedlock. Btw, this happened before the sexual revolution. His mother went through a hurried marriage ceremony of sorts, with only family, before he was born. His Muslim father already had a wife and child in Kenya and his father has been dubbed a polygamist.Moral of the story: no one who lives in a glass house must cast stones.Don’t cast stones at Governor Palin in order to support Senator Obama.Let the candidates be judged on their own merit. Her family may be skeletons in their closets. Who knows about the skeletons in the closets of the many half siblings of Senator Obama? Does it matter? Would it be fair to hunt them down and expose their private lives because someone in their family is running for public office?Get real folks. If Senator Palin has done something immoral or illegal, then it matters. Otherwise it is none of anybody’s business. She has the right to her privacy and the privacy of her family. Like everyone else, including Senator Obama.Senator Obama built a political identity with his personal story. That is a different matter. But his life had to be clean for him to run. That is all that matters.

  • Farnaz

    Anon,I agree with you %100 and then some. I also don’t know why it’s necessary to idolize the candidate one supports and demonize the opposition. I;ll be voting for Obama, but I don’t agree with him on all points and some of some of his past acquaintances, his and his wife’s connection with the Chicago Democratic Daley Machine do not make me happy.In the same vein, I oppose McCain on most things, but respect the hell out of him for the sacrifice he made for this country, for McCain-Feingold, for McCain-Kennedy. The man sponsored bipartisan legislation with the first and second most liberal members of the Senate. That says something about him. His position on campaign finance reform and on immigration is closer to mine, further to the left than Obama’s. On the other hand, his positions on just about everything else is much further to the right. That doesn’t make him Satan, and it surely, doesn’t make Obama Christ.For the life of me, I can’t understand the wild west atmosphere surrounding this election. Is it not best to look at both candidates realistically, in the round, as it were?As for Palin’s daughter, that is family business and has nothing to do with me. Neither did Chelsea Clinton, although that didn’t stop MSNBC.

  • pontificator

    Unfortunately, demonizing the opposing candidate is the prime modus operandi of the RNC, the republican party, and it’s media minions. There is no depth to which the neocon contingent will not stoop in order to smear Obama, and they are doing so as we speak. He needs to turn Biden loose on this bunch very soon. We know very well that Karl Rove is now on McCain’s staff…..while it’s to Obama’s credit that he doesn’t wallow in the same muck as the republicans, excellent character doesn’t necessarily win elections – Oh, how well we know! Obama needs a few first rate hatchet men on his side in order to level the playing field.

  • luvwknd

    McShame stands NO CHANCE of winning this election, especially now that his GOP hypocracy is visually displayed by his VP’s daughter being knocked up at 17. This really shows the undecided American people what the Repuklican party really stands for – HYPOCRACY – is the Repuklican’s motto!Anybody vote McShame deserves another 4 years of GWB policies and that is what you Repuklican’s deserve!The Repuklicans will rationalize Bristol being pregnant and twist it to sound like a good thing, this is typical garbage-politics from the Repuk’s and all the bible beaters that choose to follow the Repuklican party are completely used to rationalization as that is what their religeon stands for, interept the bible to allow you to live the kind of life they want too all while sinning agains what the good book really says!VOTE OBAMA IN NOVEMBER OR SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE WHEN GWB GARBAGE POLITICS RUIN THIS COUNTRY!

  • I am a woman but she will never get my vote!

    Yeah, and now she’s going to be a grandma to her UNDERAGED 17 year-old daughter’s child. Wow, what a family, huh? What does “abstinence” mean to this family any way?

  • I have to say something…

    This guy, Lewis and his comment really cracks me up… He said we’d never have exp. this woman has! OMG. How old are you Lewis? 12? Perhaps younger? You sound like 10. You’re too funny. I’d say at least 50% of US citizens have more experience than this woman, a beauty queen by the way. Oh you’re so funny..I have to stop typing now and laugh some more. Get real Lewis!

  • farhad

    John McCain brings a woman to the party ticket who believes that a child raped by her father and impregnated must carry that birth to term because it is God’s Will. You guys are sick.

  • Jane

    Democrats and liberals are shamefully sexist and have no class. They slandered and demonized Hillary, and now they are trying to tear apart Palin. I am no longer a Democrat.

  • Luvwknd

    McShame is making a mockery out of this election, plain and simple!This simply shows how poor of judgement McShame really has! He is NOT qualified to be President which is displayed by his failure as a fighter pilot!I rest my case – OBAMA ALL THE WAY IN NOVEMBER – NOW MORE THAN EVER!

  • Brambleton

    Luvwknd,I read your posts and can’t help but think of the famous line by Churchill, “the single greatest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”

  • Brambleton

    Solid points Farnaz. Maybe the state of affairs that currently exits in our country is making voters uber-passionate about their choice for President. Or, perhaps, these boards just draw a higher percentage of obnoxious blowhards than usual.Either way, neither candidate is perfect nor should we expect them to be. I lean to the right to begin with (I know, shocking) so I would need quite a bit from the left to get me over there. And I just don’t see that with Obama. I’ve got severe reservations about a guy learning on the job as the President of the United States. Everything for him is going to be a thought out, weigh our options process. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing until you need to make a quick decision based on your gut instincts and experience.And I’m really confused on how your platform can be about “change” after you pick Biden as a running mate.I think (hope) that if McCain can bring home the speech tonight, he’ll put himself in position to be the frontrunner.