False beliefs in a fallen world

Q: Many have criticized Pat Robertson’s suggestion that the catastrophic earthquake in Haiti was the work of the devil or … Continued

Q: Many have criticized Pat Robertson’s suggestion that the catastrophic earthquake in Haiti was the work of the devil or a form of divine punishment. But if one believes God is good and intervenes in the world, why does God allow innocents to suffer? What is the best scriptural text or explanation of that problem you’ve ever read?

The Creator of the universe has His own purposes and is not required to explain them to us. But if one is looking for a “reason” why natural disasters happen, it is because the world is fallen. God did not make the world the way it is with fault lines running through the earth and through our hearts. We did by seeking our own way, inviting sin into perfect lives (Adam and Eve) and a perfect environment (The Garden of Eden). Even so, God has promised not only a home in Heaven for those who receive Jesus Christ, but also meaning and purpose for living this life in the midst of and beyond our circumstances.

Dispensationalists believe God favors some countries and people over others and that he rewards and punishes those who please or displease Him. That false belief is the source of the outrageous Pat Robertson statement. But as Paul wrote, even while we were yet sinners, God sent His Son to die for us. If God could commit such a gracious act for our redemption when we had no concern for Him, why would he reign down judgment on Haitians and not on Saudi Arabians, whose extreme religion supports terrorism around the world?

It is a stupid and incorrect assertion.

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  • lepidopteryx

    So tens of thousands died in Haiti last week because 6000 years ago, someone ate an apple.

  • cornbread_r2

    “God did not make the world the way it is with fault lines running through the earth and through our hearts. We did by seeking our own way, inviting sin into perfect lives (Adam and Eve) and a perfect environment (The Garden of Eden).” — Cal Thomas———–Non-Young Earth theists who venture a guess as to when God might have first infused mankind with a soul and created Adam give a range of dates from about 200,000 to 60,000 years ago. Do you really believe that there was no tectonic plate movement before that time? I’m going to go out on a limb here and propose that God’s purpose for this earthquake was to get you to read a geology textbook.

  • timmy2

    I have first hand knowledge about this one,It so happens that I was there when the Haitians made their deal with Satan. I was working as a young TMZ reporter at the time and it was my first assignment. I was really just supposed to get some reaction shots of Satan after asking him the question: “Hey Satan, what did you think about your depiction in the South Park movie as Saddam Hussein’s lover?”Anyway, I got a tip that Satan was going to be at this night club in Port-Au-Prince. When I approached his table to get my shots I noticed that Satan and his entourage, which included Pat Robertson BTW, (he was the minion holding Satan’s lawyers briefcase) were all sitting with the Haitian president in a private booth. I specifically heard Satan tell the Haitian president that he would take care of France for the Haitians. He laughed for a bit at that notion that anyone would need help taking care of France, but he agreed to do it in exchange for the souls of all Haitians. He said these were the cheapest souls he ever bought. Then he said “France” and laughed some more. Then I saw the handshake go down.I also won a Papzi Award for my photo of Satan when I asked him about the South Park movie. It was awesome. I caught him just as the steam was starting to come out of his ears. This is all 100% true. If you don’t believe it, I guess you’re just one of those people we like to call “non believers”. Or “people of no faith”. You know, people who have a rigid demand for facts and evidence before they can believe anything. I find people like that very sad. Shallow, empty and cold. Thinking that all knowledge is evidentiary based. Anyway I guess this is just my way of responding to this question by saying: What a friggin joke.

  • Navin1

    OKGod makes man exactly right because he can’t make mistakes. That exactly correctly made man “invites sin” into this world. Did man invent sin?If man invents sin itself, what else can man invent – a savior? Isn’t god irrelevent if man can invent sin. If man did not invent sin then that implies god invented sin and felt it was “good.” (Or God invented satan who invented sin but god felt the invention satan was good).So one way or another, god, through the agency he chose to give man with full knowledge of the mindset of man, or through His own will, invited sin into this world – God’s choice, not human choice. So now this god punishes people to eternal damnation because they are misguided by the very sin god created. Now that is a screwed up moral system: I impoverish you (economically or spiritually) and when you steal (a piece of bread or a search for truth) I condemn you to eternal damnation for responding to the conditions I set. Perhaps the ideology is what is broken with fault lines, even more than the earth, and the earth quakes at christian righteousness that is the serpents (mahasura) footsteps of creating an ignorant powerbase who give up the responsibility of their own spiritual upliftment to a proxy man invented savior.hariaum

  • PSolus

    “It is a stupid and incorrect assertion.”Your entire post is an ignorant and superstitious assertion.

  • justillthennow

    “If God could commit such a gracious act for our redemption when we had no concern for Him, why would he reign down judgment on Haitians and not on Saudi Arabians, whose extreme religion supports terrorism around the world?”Or, considering the blasphemy of being true believers, (as Americans clearly have been), that turn their backs on the True Way, why would God have overlooked Americans and their neo-con evangelicals that contrive excuses to go into the cradle of civilization (neighbor of Eden, recently lost 🙁 ), and bomb the beJesus out of the natives and insert their own minions. Very Godless, that. Friends of our illustrious commentator, Cal Thomas. What defines morally just? Do we? Or is it all in self evaluation and the justifications for evils done, (and of course the healing waters of Baptism in the Lord!) that we may come out of Hades, and doing the Devils work, unbesmirched and sweet smelling? Is it not curious that often our own farts do not smell as bad as the neighbors do? At least, when self evaluating.

  • laslo23

    Like the guy says above, this entire post is an example of ignorant superstition. How many angels fit on the head of this pin again?

  • barferio

    It’s times like this when you really can see just what a prick your god character really is.Yada yada yada, died for our sins. Only he was a god, right? Since when he is really going to die?What an incredibly juvenile and stupid story.

  • arensb

    God did not make the world the way it is with fault lines running through the earth and through our hearts. We did by seeking our own way, inviting sin into perfect livesI can see how eating the wrong fruit can lead to an upset stomach, but how does it lead to earthquakes? Someone please connect the dots for me.

  • washpost18

    So Cal, you assist in condemning 1.82 billion Muslims to death for the murder of up to 5000 Xtians in the 9/11 attacks but you bend over backwards to excuse the execution of between 50k-200k Haitians by your god.Thank you for demonstrating why you and the other “religious faithful” need to be kept out of positions of authority at all costs.

  • ender2

    Timmy2 congrats on THE BEST POST EVER ON THIS BOARD!If Cal Thomas really believes his screed he should drop his hat and grab his ‘bat’ and run.We live in the most murderous nation currently on the planet and support the second most terrorist nation, Israel.

  • Navin1

    I know what’s wrong with the title of this piece. It had been bothering me for a while, here’s the real title:False Belief in a Fallen Word.or perhapsTrue Belief in a Fallen Word.No, I think the first is better.The word being the fallen logos that was forsaken by god on a mythical cross. hariaum

  • DanielintheLionsDen

    Cal said”God did not make the world the way it is with fault lines running through the earth and through our hearts. We did by seeking our own way, inviting sin into perfect lives (Adam and Eve) and a perfect environment (The Garden of Eden).”I hope Cal is not including me when he says “we.” I was not at the Garden of Eden. And I did not cause the fault lines in the earth.

  • decentdust

    Just had to get that little dig at Islam in there, didn’t ya, Cal? Islam happens to be the religion of a whole bunch of your fellow Americans, in case you forgot. Totally irrelevant to the rest of the post, but hey, why miss a chance? Doesn’t it also say in there somewhere that the sins of the fathers shall not be visited upon the sons? And does it occur to anyone that it’s the Saudi government and one particular (and quite recent) version of Islam, the Wahabis, who are spreading extremism? Cal sees fit to just blame the whole country and wonder it isn’t fit to be demolished wholesale.Some perspective for the idea of the “fallen world” – that interpretation of Genesis comes from philosophical context (the ancient Mediterranean) where the material world was already held in disregard by Christians and non-Christians alike, especially in the Platonic tradition (have a look at Plotinus).

  • clearthinking1

    I agree with Christians’ & Muslims’ basic commandments: 1. One should exploit others suffering to spread one’s own religion. 2. Charity should be done with an ulterior motive to gain power.3. One should identify weakness in another country and culture. Then, instead of letting them correct problems, one should exploit.4. Divide and conquer.5. Always pretend to do charity. This provides the perfect cover for the true agenda.6. Always remember that my god is better than the other’s god. Use this belief to justify and rationalize acts of deception & destruction.7. Religion is about winning and expanding, not about spiritual development.8. Might is right.9. If the whole world can be converted to Islam or Christianity, we will win. Then we will destroy the other inferior religion.10. Peace on Earth and goodwill to mankind – NOT.

  • Chapel_Hill_Science

    OK, Cal, I would really like to know why Christians believe that God is good if God created Satan. You can try to say it’s all linked to “The Fall” in reference to a Garden of Eden, man’s rebellion against God, etc., but you’re still left worshiping a God who created Satan in the first place.And isn’t worshiping a God who created Satan just as creepy as worshiping Satan, if not more so?

  • NorwegianShooter

    So dispensationalism is a stupid and incorrect assertion, but God sent His Son to die for us is a beautiful and true fact. Can you show your work on that?