How influential will anti-Muslim groups become?

By Michelle Boorstein What is the future of the anti-Muslim movement in the United States? For years there has been … Continued

By Michelle Boorstein

What is the future of the anti-Muslim movement in the United States?

For years there has been a small but passionate group of people concerned with the influence of Islam, and their activism seemed to be largely focused on blogging and lobbying political conservatives. But their presence — and the arguments they raise — seem to be coming into the broader sphere of late.

There’s the fight over a mosque at the Ground Zero site, and this weekend the on-line electronic payment firm PayPal reportedly cut off the anti-Muslim blog Atlas Shrugs, saying it’s a hate site.

Needless to say, this has prompted a roar from Atlas Shrugs supporters who see political bias.

Commentators across the spectrum, from the libertarian Becket Fund to the progressive Media Matters are asking: Where is this anti-Muslim movement going? How significantly will it steer the debate in this country about religious freedom and bias?

UPDATE: Ms. Geller and some of her supporters objected to us characterizing their comments as “anti-Islam.” She wrote the following at the bottom of this post, for those who don’t read the comments:

“I am not anti-Muslim. I love Muslims. I am pro-freedom and anti-islamic supremacism.” (ironically, the next line is a threat to sue the Post)

One reader sent a recent report of her comments at a protest of the building of a mosque in lower Manhattan:

“We’re not here today to condemn Muslims or Islam,” but “to condemn the kind of mosque that will teach the very same radical ideology that gave birth to the 9/11 attacks.” She reportedly went on to say that “building a mosque just several blocks away from Ground Zero is an insult and an afford to every single person that was killed on 9/11.”

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  • busybee3

    What we need to be asking is, why is the ugly anti-Muslim speech being tolerated so passively by so many of us, and by our civic leaders? Isn’t that a tacit endorsement of the hatred? How bad does it have to get before we object?

  • uberqueenbee

    What we need to ask is how our elected officials let things get this far. Stop the Islamification of America and stop the mosquerade in NYC near the WTC site.Where is the outrage when the protestors carry signs declaring their intent to destroy the US, Israel and anyone else who doesn’t submit to Islam? Pam Geller and Robert Spencer are patriots who refused to succumb to the politically correct agenda and ignore what was in front of everyone’s eyes.The Cordoba House, exclusive of the questionable ties of Rauf, is simultaneously a show of contempt for the US and a symbol of conquest; it is a deliberate provocation. The location, naming and proposed date of dedication is proof of this. Louisiana and Oklahoma have already prepared their anti-Sharia legislation, other states will follow. Americans will show that they still have some backbone. Just say no. We have yet to concede defeat. The hypocrisy of calling Islam the religion of peace is not wasted upon us. Peace be upon you.

  • tpwebb3

    And it does seem to be true that in countries where Islam is the majority religion, freedom of religion is hardly recognized. That’s not bias – it seems to be fact.

  • TheMadKing

    They’re not anti-Muslim groups, they’re anti-Islamist and anti-jihadi! Who’s doing all the killing any bombings around the world anyway? Who’s killing more innocent Mulsims than anyone else, be it in Pakistan, Iraq or Iran? Who’s doing the “honor” killings? Are they all just “man-caused disasters” with no ideological motivation whatsoever? There was a great distinction between Nazis and the good Germans who fought them, like the White Rose group. Many paid with their lives. What the WaPo and other over the cliff left-wing lemming media outfits would have us believe is the equivalent of calling all good Germans Nazis when they’re doing no such thing. lastly, since when is voicing fact-based opinion, no matter how unpleasant those facts may be, reason for a cutoff of financial services in AMERICA?

  • gmccal

    From a poster above: “Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are anti-Muslim racists.”What race are Muslims?

  • sdr1

    muslim1908 wrote:” Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer areHow about the anti-NAZI movement?If one is speaking the truth about IslamIslam is worse than NAZISM by every S D Rodrian

  • rcubedkc

    I hope anti muslim/anti terrorist groups spread across the globe and become a wide majority in every civilized country with the end result being all muslims are forced to return to their cesspools or origin and kept there.

  • ThishowIseeit

    Tolerance for absurdity is a crime. Believe in a just supreme being is an absurdity.

  • ClandestineBlaze

    “From a poster above: “Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are anti-Muslim racists.”What race are Muslims?Posted by: gmccal | June 14, 2010 8:07 PM”The majority of Muslims are Arabs, thus Semites. So in a way, this is pretty anti-Semitic. Sorry if that’s too much for you to handle.It is absolute hate speech. Just read some of the comments above. The majority of Muslims are moderate, yet, you people want to engage in collective punishment of the few that engage in jihad.Read the comment from RCUBEDKC:So, you’re telling me that this kind of hate speech is acceptable? Now replace the word “Muslim” with “Jew” in the paragraph above. Does that hate speech sound familiar? Are you okay with that? If you want to hate Muslims, that’s fine, you’re a bigot. Just don’t try to lie to us and delude yourself into thinking that you’re not a bigot.

  • moongod

    Muslims are quite ignorant about intolerance. Jews have been the number one target of religious hate crimes even since the muslim inspired 9-11. Clue for ya, in America it is legal to hate Muslims – deal with it!!

  • moongod

    The flawed logic here is that you must hate Muslims if you factually point out your dislike for Muslim extremists. BTW I don’t see jews flying planes into buildings.

  • muslim1908

    Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are anti-Muslim racists. The anti-Muslim movement is no different than the anti-Semitic movement.

  • kingcranky

    As a private entity, paypal is perfectly free to reject any user at any time for any reason, that’s just “the free market” at work in all its glory.

  • awabnavi

    “how ’bout the Iran/Iraq 10 yr war? a million casualties” — Now let me ask a few questions. How about the two world wars in which untold millions were killed by whom? How about the two nukes on Japan, dropped by whom? How about the three million Vietnamese killed by whom? How about the millions killed in Korea,k by whom? Good questions, No? And last but not least WHO exterminated the NATIVES of the Americas, Australis, New Zealand, etc. and taken over their lands?

  • Orsalia

    I refer to the post of “platypus_chutney | June 15, 2010 10:10 AM.” I am an immigrant to the US, deeply socially liberal and tolerant, and have advocated against broad condemnation of Muslims in the past. However, my tolerance has been eroded over the last 15 years as I watch in horror at what Islam has wrought. Thank you, platypus_chutney, for saving me the effort of typing; your post summarized my position exactly. I would add only a couple of points that I didn’t think you touched on: First, the murderous misogyny of radical Islam. I cannot tolerate a religion which reduces women to mere chattle, giving men the legal power of life and death over them. I condemn Christian and Jewish sects of similar atrocities, but Islam is the one I am reading about on a daily basis (think “honor” killings and female genital mutulation). Unacceptable.Second, the expectation of immigrant Muslim communities around the world that they will merely establish strongholds in which their religion, culture and laws will supercede the host country’s. UNacceptable. I think that anti-Muslim sentiment is going continue to grow, not only here but everywhere; it is becoming a matter of cultural survival.

  • kingcranky

    Pam Geller, get over yourself, you’re no martyr, just a knuckle-dragging slug who can’t take the same kind of strong language, vitriol and histrionics that you dish out, which is why Charles Johnson smartly disassociated his blog from yours.And the rest of your diseased ilk proudly bloviating their hatred in this thread are no better than those they criticize.No one religion is more legitimate than another, they’re all a matter of belief, not fact.

  • bosc817

    If Islam indeed is a religion of PEACE, why did it it need to send as its emissaries Muhammad bin Qasim [c.712] on its eastern foray into Sindh, and another general to lead the western sweep into Iraq? Did Buddhism send armies to spread its message over vast tracts of the CIVILIZED [emphasis]world? Or just a few UNARMED monks wearing a single robe made of rags, dependent on the charity of strangers?Please refer to WILL DURANT, someone admired by Ayatollah KHAMENEI [“Will Durant’s The Pleasures of Philosophy was another one of Khamenei’s favorites. He said about it, “This book is like poetry and he [Durant] turns a philosophy book into a sweet and delicious dish for the reader.” Surely, Durant was not a frothing-at-the- mouth right wing Hindu revivalist who can easily be dismissed!!Will Durant. The Story of Civilization, Vol. I, Our Oriental Heritage, New York, 1972.# Elliot, Sir H. M., Edited by Dowson, John. The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians. The Muhammadan Period; published by London Trubner Company 1867–1877. (Online Copy: The History of India, as Told by Its Own Historians. The Muhammadan Period; by Sir H. M. Elliot; Edited by John Dowson; London Trubner Company 1867–1877 – This online Copy has been posted by: The Packard Humanities Institute; Persian Texts in Translation; Also find other historical books: Author List and Title List)# Misra, Ram Gopal, Indian Resistance to Early Muslim Invaders up to AD 1206, Meerut City, 1983.

  • cadam72

    For those who see Muslims as the enemy, I urge you to see socio-economics as much as an issue, as well as tolerancce for others. 20 men were indocrinated by hatred to bomb America and we are seeing an extension of that in Jihad in our wars in the Middle East. But get to know your local muslim neighbors in America and see that they want the same thigs you do – decent schools, safe neighborhoods, stable jobs. Muslims are no differant from Christians, the disposessed will still lash out, the reactionary groups will still be full of hate. Defuse that and invite them in for what you share, not what separates you.

  • Pamela_Geller

    I am not anti-Muslim.I love Muslims. I am pro-freedom and anti-islamic supremacism.Stop the slander and defamation. It’s an incitement to violence.Do it again and I am going to sue you.Yours in liberty,

  • lufrank1

    Sigh . . . .Madness and Ignorance – like fortune tellers, so-called “ghost” and ghost-hunters, Astrologers, horoscopes, crystal balls, “magnetic” healing bracelets, etc.

  • mhr614

    The activities of muslims and not the propaganda efforts of their supporters will determine the opinion Americans have and will have of islam. Let their be more bombings by muslims like those in Madrid and London and New York and Mombai and many others and the many plots that have been uncovered and only fools would continue to maintain that islam is no threat. Any person or group that insists on trying to kill us will get what they deserve. It’s really as simple as that.

  • thornegp2626

    I have a real problem with any “religion” whose dogma includes the destruction of other religions!

  • bbcrock

    Why do I think that all activist atheists will be labeled “Anti-Muslim?”I have met some people who are anti-Muslim but very few compared to the number of people who are against BOTH the Right Wing Christian Moral Majority and Right Wing Muslims.

  • adrienne_najjar

    Muslims suck. That’s all there is to it. As soon as a WMD goes off on US soil, people will go ape. A muslim life won’t be worth a plug nickel. I’ll be in the vanguard with my trusty Ka-Bar, lopping off their stinking heads – every last one of them including women, children and old people. This has got to be done.

  • hofbrauhausde

    Alex, I’ll take “Suicide Bombers Named ‘Brad'” for 500…400?…300?…200?…

  • legitbrownie

    As long as there’s a well funded movement to spread Wahhabist Islam, freedom loving people everywhere MUST fight it passionately. Moderate Muslims themselves are fighting this pervasive influence that has been gathering more and more strength with oil money. There is nothing anti-Muslim about efforts to combat extremists who profess their fascist terror in the name of Islam. For the first time, men and women in traditionally moderate Muslim-majority countries like Malaysia are being canned and jailed for drinking beer. Islam is the ONLY religion that has a police force to enforce rules made up by the local Islamic council. If it is the religion of peace, why is so much punishment meted out to its own followers? Why is a Muslim not allowed to depart Islam, under punishment of death? Wake up Americans. Islam is NOT the same as other religions.

  • youba

    “but why aren’t the “moderate” muslims decrying the beheadings, homicide bombings and hiding their fighters behind women and children??!?!”You answered your own question. Its very hard to get the press, or anyone else for that matter, to pay attention to you if you’re a moderate–even if moderates are in the majority. The Tea Partiers, the Earth First’ers, Hamas–all get much more press than warranted given their small numbers.

  • pulakguy

    dunno where I read – a good muslim is a dead muslim.

  • meeg1972

    OOOOOH, Paypal’s effort/anklegrabbing was a swing and a miss. See, you’ve gotta love the people’s voice, don’t ya? Once in a blue moon it really is effectual. Too bad PP’s excuse for its “mistake” was too little/too late (too late: a concept lost on sympathizers of the likes of CAIR). I love how some of the geniuses posting here are focused on Pam G. Fortunately there are informed folks who pointed out the fact that PP is in bed with sites such as RevolutionMuslim dot com. Wake up libs, these nutjobs hate you more than folks that actually have their number; in fact, they see their opponents as infidels, but they see YOU fools as infidels that are so stupid, you actually advocate for them.

  • avi31547

    There are Moslems who are “Islamists” and Moslems who are not. There are moderate Moslems in places such as Indonesia–which just sentenced to long prison terms a bunch of Islamist terrorists–and there are Islamist Moslems such as the Taliban, bin Laden, and the “9/11” terrorists. I see no reason to tar them all with the same brush. I think they should be considered on a case-by-case basis. After all, this is America, where people, including Moslems, are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, right?

  • manjulathiagarajan

    “The Mohammadan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.” – Will DurantThiagan

  • legitbrownie

    “but why aren’t the “moderate” muslims decrying the beheadings, homicide bombings and hiding their fighters behind women and children??!?!”

  • OldSalt8

    there is no place in the western hemisphere for muslims…period.

  • jm125

    No secular person from western civilization with any sense could advocate the importation of the muslim social cancer. These scum bring their Dark Ages desert stuff along with a diproportionate number of terrorist attacks or incidents and expect the people taking them in to adapt to their backward ways. I loathe these vermin as well as the stupid PC scum who defend them. Muslims, why don’t you just stay out of the unenlightened West and live any way you like in your muslim toilets. And PC “usefull idiots”, fell free to migrate to these lands of peace and enjoy!

  • meeg1972

    uberqueenbee: Amen. Well said.

  • Petras123

    Ah the tolerant Left !Does the Left support Sharia law for Muslim women in Britian ? Now home to 85 Sharia courts according to the Guardian newspaper.Does the Left support the 15th-floor Cordoba Mosque overlooking Ground Zero ? to be opened on the 10th Anniversary of 9/11 ? funded wealthy Saudis ? and celebrated by radical Islamists ?Does the Left support the recent now-repealed policy of the American Academy of Pediatrics that American doctors be given permission to perform a ceremonial “nick” on girls to keep their families from sending them overseas for FGM (female genital mutilation) ?Ah the modern tolerant dhimmi Left. It makes no sense: gay feminist secular hedonists making common cause with homophobic misogynist proscriptive theocrats. Who knew ?

  • therev1

    “The problem is Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller deliberately lie about Muslims.” And that says it all. One needn’t lie to delineate Islam’s deficiencies. The truth is enough. Lying shows cowardice and an ignorant inability to articulate the truth. And please get rid of that stupid picture of John, Rick, and Barack.

  • WmarkW

    What is the future of the anti-Muslim movement in the United States?For years there has been a small but passionate group of people concerned with the influence of Islam, I love Muslims and wish whole-heartedly to free them from their intellectually stifling faith.

  • BerkeleyBW

    What does it take to convince liberals that there is such a thing as enemies? There are millions of Muslims dedicated to the idea that our way of life is evil in the eyes of Allah and must be snuffed out to make way for one world of Islam under sharia. Not every single Muslim believes in pursuing the caliphate, but not every German was a heartfelt follower of Hitler either. It doesn’t matter; there are enough.The jihadists’ greatest allies are the goofy liberals who think kumbaya will solve any differences.

  • gpcarvalho

    Let’s be fair with all organized religions, say Charles Silver and Filomela Klorotis, both devout and highly educated christians. Organized religions’ latent or explicit long-term goal is theocracy, their dream regime. Their dream, ponder Silver and Klorotis, is the contemporary democrat’s worst nightmare.

  • drjrrao

    Islam is Fascism.Liberate Muslims from it.If they don,t want it,let them have their own world under their own Allah,leaving others to live in peace.

  • Disgusted

    Only when Mecca and Medina are reduced to glass will there be peace between Islam and the civilized world. The only good Muslim is a non-breathing Muslim.

  • platypus_chutney

    I’m a liberal and pro-gay marriage, and I’m for more help to disadvantaged minorities, etc.But looking at polling data from majority Muslim countries, Islamic religious practices, and the Koran, I have concluded that the Muslim faith is currently not compatible with a modern, global civilization. The canon of Muslim dogma is rife with calls to martyrdom, forced conversion, and intolerance. Without a vast reformation of the Muslim faith (which I don’t see happening soon), the Islamic culture, especially in the Middle East, has only the superficial trappings of modernity surrounding a core of bronze age, obsolete morality. Note that the long-past, brief Islamic Golden Age occurred during an uncharacteristic period of religious tolerance and liberalism. There is a reason these metrics go hand-in-hand with prosperity.Almost all religions, including Christianity, are holding back the progress of humanity toward a more balanced and ethical framework that can address the issues of our modern world. But Islam is by far the most egregious throwback.I don’t understand why this would be a “racist” argument. I’m against a set of socially destructive ideas, beliefs and actions, not an ethnic group.Honestly, I think peak oil will solve our problems in the long term. Once the oil is gone, we can remove all of our military bases from the Middle East. Our bases have been distracting them from their own meaningless conflicts.

  • platypus_chutney

    A continuation from above: Note that there are likely many secularists and liberals in Muslim countries. They simply can’t speak up or they will be exiled or executed. Still, I would welcome them with open arms. Turkey itself is an outlier example of a fairly liberal Muslim country. So, the changes are possible.It is the culture and not the ethnic group that I take issue with.

  • deelynn16

    Islam is NOT a race. It’s an ideology and if you want to see how poisoned it’s become pick up any news paper any day and take a look… todayIslamic extremists execute 2 people for watching the world cup soccer games. Over 20 others to be publicly whipped for it.Iranian clerics demand the right to defend ISLAM … That’s right ISLAM not IRAN with nuclear weapons.There is never a day this poisoned ideology is not making headline news. This has NOTHING to do with race whatsoever. The problems FROM ISLAM never end. Wake up people.

  • thesilverback

    Why are we limiting this to anti-Islam? Can’t we just have a general anti-religion group? We should treat all superstitions the same way.

  • swasimjafry

    It is strange and pity that those who are

  • paris1969

    With so many Muslim theocracies for Muslims to live under, why on earth do they want to be in the U.S. anyway? Their religion does not fit into American culture by any stretch of the imagination. Those who don’t hate us mostly come here to make $$$ … not to support this country and what it stands for.

  • Disgusted

    Islam will be a religion of peace when Mecca and Medina become smoking craters. That is how we should deal with bronze-age savages.

  • bosc817

    @ClandestineBlaze”The majority of Muslims are Arabs, thus Semites. So in a way, this is pretty anti-Semitic. Sorry if that’s too much for you to handle.”Just to offer you some FACTS so that you can set your WARPED MIND straight:INDONESIA + BRUNEI + MALAYSIA = > 200 MillionBangladesh = c.160 millionPakistan = c. 170 millionIndia = c.140 millionAfghanistan = 27-30 millionCentral Asia + Iran = find out for yourselfSubsaharan Africa = dittoTrinidad & Tobago [of Indian descent] =?NONE of these = Arab GOT THAT STRAIGHT?These make up the majority of the billion-odd Muslims in the world. Keep your nonsensical arguments to yourself. Anti-Semitism is a term reserved for Anti-Jewish propaganda. Your twisted arguments are an example of ANTI-SEMITISM. GOT THAT CLEAR?Until your Arabs are removed from Palestine and elsewhere and strictly confined to the Arabian Peninsula, there can be no peace for humanity.And I am neither a Jew nor a Zionist!!

  • Muslimbychoice

    One single fact remains; Islam is growing globally despite the psychotic efforts to defeat it. The PEW foundation found approximately 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide. Despite the concerted, ‘steroid’ loaded efforts that surely consume some of these individuals who wish to destroy Islam and Muslims, people are willfully embracing Islam, often without help or prodding, just reading online, watching the beautiful manners of a good Muslim they know or after reading the rants of the ‘rantors’, and knowing that is coming from deep seated phobias and allegiances to others. This is the self-perpetuating nature of Islam and another sign of its divine nature.

  • xavier995

    i think many especially christian see the rampant anti-muslim writings and they think this is how religion of islam is fact is there is nothing muslim about the violent actions of so called muslims.muslims since earliest respected both christianity and judaism as religions from GOD and shown that they can live togather in peace.muslims are even more close to jews if only palestinian conflict can be resolved

  • Jaytoday10

    For all of you linking Islam to other religions, you should stop. I’m a Christian and it is an actual religion of peace. I know Obama and all the libs like to call islam a “religion of peace”. But the Bible says you’ll know them by the fruit of their ways. Well on 9/11 I saw 220 stories of fruit crash to the ground and kill 3,000 lives. If you are a true Muslim and follow the teachings of the koran, you cannot exist in the U.S. without being put into prison. Read the koran, see for yourselves. It’s an evil book. Now in Christianity we have moral absolutes. (homosexuality, murder, theft, adultery, etc.) But a Christian is supposed to point out where the sin is, but still love and welcome the sinner. Because we all sin. A Christian’s job is to SPEAK the gospel and let God do the rest. A Muslim is to tell you about Allah and KILL you if you won’t convert. Read the koran, it’s in there.

  • DebChatterjee

    Michelle Boorstein, did you know that Adolf Hitler met with Grand Mufti of Jerusalem before the Auschwitz ? (This I read on Newsweek.)

  • BocaGorda

    Michelle don’t be intimidated by this flood of Geller-ites. Many of whom regularly post on her insane blog calling for the annihilation of Muslims.She is anti-Muslim. This “I love Muslims” is really deception (something she regularly projects onto Muslims). She hates Muslims and Islam.She calls Barack Obama our “first Muslim president”I can go on and on, but please read this,

  • Muslimbychoice

    What is happening in America regarding the rising anti-Islamic fervor is both disturbing and fascinating. As a revert to Islam, embracing Islam as an adult, freely and after a thorough evaluation using the intellectual capacities given by God, I naturally find the ‘skin-head’, emotionally charged Islamophobic trend disturbing, yet, what I find fascinating is the fear some have that Islamic sharia could actually influence state and federal government. I don’t believe that would ever happen, yet, Islam continues to grow, gaining adherents who choose to embrace freely despite the tremendous efforts being made to defeat God’s religion. This is due to the fact that Islam is self-perpetuating, a sign of its divine nature. With certain people spewing venom against Islam and Muslims, then finding Americans embracing it, how can you explain that?

  • BocaGorda

    Add Pakistan to the list of countries that Geller and her friend Spencer want to see “wiped off the map,”

  • RedHogg

    In every anti Muslim discussion the Muslim supporters comments always attempt to pull in the Jews and Christians into the discussion although the discussion is only about Islam.As it to say if Islam is at fault the so to are the Jews and the Christians. In my view this shoes the cunningness on the Muslim hoping to condem all for the acts of Islam, attempting to put falt on all others for the acts of his wicked religion.All the more reasons I can’t stand Islam and those who lie and mislead for the promotion of it.