1Sahil B = ""Michael Charlton: Is there an ideal form of Islamic government?Aga Khan: I don't think, you know, you can talk about Islamic government. If you go back to the Qur'an, there is no government mentioned in the Qur'an.Michael Charlton: I know, you all say that. All Imams and all political leaders in Islam say that. On the other hand, it seems to me that those divisions between the religious and secular life in Islam are, in fact, the, at the heart of all development and they have to be addressed ...Aga Khan: They have got to be addressed, that is absolutely correct.Michael Charlton: Who wins? What comes out top, religion or the secular process?Aga Khan: I couldn't generalise on that. It depends entirely on the society of the land you are talking about. You know, I simply can not make a comparison between an Arab country in the Middle East and Indonesia, but they are there. We are talking about too...it's too vast an Empire, you know, we are talking about hundreds and millions of people covering so many different races and languages.Michael Charlton: But is it a genuine revival of religion in your view? There [sic] consistency that appears to be against secularisation?Aga Khan: You could interpret it that way. You could also interpret it as a desire of certain peoples within the Muslim world to return to a pre-colonial position."His Highness the Aga Khan's 1979 BBC Radio 4 Interview with Michael Charlton (London, United Kingdom)"